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Happy Thanksgiving future rated selects!

Wait...you're not calling dibs?

I'm still confused that anybody in the military would hold a general to some sort of higher expectation. If anything my experience demonstrates that they are less likely to impress. These are the people that taught themselves to love the taste of shit just so they could one day be a general. The ultimate "yes men". They were not promoted in the field due to battle competence.

It does. We have that too, after all. Obviously you have to discuss these issues on a national level, not an individual level, otherwise conversation is literally impossible.

Is there something I’m missing that makes the Ukrainian draft unethical/illegal? Or are they just drafting people because… Russia invaded them (again)? Or, in insanity land… you’re right, that greatest generation had no spine because conscription provided 10 million personnel.

Good replies gents, thanks for the perspective.

What a ride

Yes. Yes. The people who say that are conflating a state’s intent to fight with the consequences of the policies it uses to do so. Those are related concepts but not the same, regardless of form of government.

Does the logic work both ways? Would you also say Russia has the will to fight despite their forced conscription? Because I hear a lot about Russian forced conscription being symptomatic of imminent defeat, which seems like selective bias. My take is that if the general public hates the war so much they’re dodging the draft (which wasn’t a factor during WW2 but definitely was during Vietnam) you can’t say a democracy has the “will to fight.” Because they don’t. Of course, neither Russia nor Ukraine are democracies so it’s a grey area of discussion.

I get the send a message thing but I would like it to be more of a surprise. Like, they don't know where it's coming from. They just know if they do something they will get the rain(cheesy movie). Wonder what weapon they used in this attack. I remember back in the day(even before CHs time) when nobody outside of the small community knew what a gunship was.

In the Navy I guess it's Seamen Yummy britches

I’m of the opinion that this has been his philosophy for quite a while, definitely spanning while he was on AD and being a high member of the intel community.

EFF Iraq. Very little that happens there will get at the root of the problem. Three words. Conventional Prompt Strike.....or whatever they call it right here. Better yet on the headquarters of the Morality Police and or the Quds Force. That sends a message I'm sure they'll get 5 X 5

Hayden has been off in the deep end for a long time now.

There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky!

It’s not just they have the will to fight. They are expressing competencies they didn’t start the war with largely because it takes months to build them. People who used our optics of what ah offensive move looks like forget they are a military built around maneuver in order to conduct fires where we are the opposite. If they had tried to conduct the break through that US and NATO forces were advertising and using our tactics to their demographics would look a whole lot worse. They would not have had the core competency’s to conduct regimental actions of that kind. It’ll take years to rebuild them to that model. Same reason night action is so infrequent in this war, it consumes roughly 3 times the ammunition when we do it. They can’t afford to strain sustainment like that. At this point in the war it’s a convergence period, one where they have effectively been pushing back Russian counter attacks. And the weaponeering required to effectively destroy the bridge just aren’t their with the tools they have in their arsenal and never really were at the outset of the war. That said with what they have had/received/and importantly invented themselves they’ve effectively put the Russian Navy out of the fight minus being a Kalibr platform. Even of that they have eroded that from surface task forces to individual ship ops from longer lines of sustainment because they Ukrainians are effectively threatening Sevastopol now. If they have the will to keep fighting let them. And more importantly resource them when a lot of the billions of dollars of weapons we are sending are largely systems we own close to end of lot life like all those non unitary M26s. And you’re right about demographics as an expendable item to track. That’s why it was so critical to get them our sides tanks and IFVs. There is no question about crew survivability in comparison which keeps the most important military resource (the trained guy) in the fight to go again after reconsolidating. Russia isn’t getting the same option. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If they can't achieve an objective without us giving them something new or different, then they are stuck. I'm not saying we shouldn't, but if they can't change it on their own.... Also the demographics of their fighting forces is getting rough. Very rough. The spring/summer offensive did not go as advertised. But if they still have the will to fight...

To find the enemy, you must think like the enemy.

A tour of the old neighborhoods and clearly a message.

And now we wait! Wishing you all a good Thanksgiving weekend and that it takes your mind off of waiting for results!

At least there’s one less guppy flying around. If I could, I’d push every 737 into the ocean

2026 airline interview: “We see you had a mishap in the Navy, can you tell us about that” ”well you see, I have long maintained a personal policy of never go around, because that’s what pussies do!”

The thread has devolved into a broader discussion on divesting older platforms in the name of making difficult choices given current threats which may be true but is NOT the case with the potential 105MM removal. It will actually COST money to take the 105MM off the gunship. This is a punitive decision made by a cud eating lunatic and endorsed by his caustic clown-penis puppet. It started as an exercise to harvest ops manpower for functions that have nothing to do with SOF core competencies. With regard to divesting other legacy platforms I certainly agree that in many cases it makes sense given the capabilities of 5th and 6th gen platforms. We make fun of Fat Amy but the simple fact is in the air to air realm, if the Raptors and Fat Amy are playing it is an unfair fight, as it should be. The problem is our single-minded focus on this one mission...yes we have a duty to kick down doors and project airpower and national policy, but we also have a sacred duty to protect those on the ground. Luckily the benefit of our 5th and 6th gen capabilities extends to stopping an enemy air force but it is myopic to think it ends there. I am sorry but a cloaked up Lightning with 181 rounds of 25MM and a couple GBUs does not replace an A-10. When all is said and done we are spending a TRILLION dollars on Fat Amy, perhaps I am a dinosaur but I think we can part with a few $ to find away to provide CAS for future generations.

That's exactly the mindset of our brass right now, though. Ref. F-15C, AWACS, JSTARS, and A-10 retirements.

Haha, ain’t no leadership that’s gonna stand up to this madness and risk their career. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

That's not true. Very at-risk groups, such as those over 70-80, had a very, very high chance of surviving the vaccine, and a not-great chance of surviving covid. Especially if fat. For them it was a no-brainer. What's mind boggling to me is how effective the current corporatist-governmental establishment has "team-ified" so effectively that Americans are now seemingly incapable of seeing anything that doesn't completely inspire their political opposition. The vaccine, especially for the alpha and Delta variants, absolutely reduced serious illness and death from covid-19. It was also rushed into production, had real and meaningful side effects for certain demographics, was misrepresented by the people and organizations that stood to profit from it most, and treated a disease that was almost certainly developed in a Chinese lab, and accidentally released. Making the vaccine mandatory was immoral because it was new, unproven, and effective in a way that did not benefit from compulsory distribution. Not because it didn't do anything at all.

It was a joke.