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It would be refreshing to see them say 'we fucked up, shouldn't have happened. Here is what we're doing to prevent it in the future'. The flip flopping of all these admins suddenly caring about security when it suits their side is nauseating.

I don't know what they did or didn't send over Signal, so couch this in terms of hypotheticals. *IF* actual plans were sent over signal, that's every bit as bad as Hilary's email server. It's sloppy as F and warrants resignations, and criminal charges. If we're gonna hang out to dry airmen who flex on whatever video game crew they play with by sending secret info, we sure as hell are gonna do the same if the SECDEF is being a sloppy MF. That said, it's very likely this is more of the same blue-haired hyperventilating ala "January 6th was a coup d'etat."

Covid lab leak Russia collusion Hunter laptop etc, etc, etc Perhaps there's reason to be skeptical

So far the only screen shots I've seen are solidly in the policy debate sphere and would hardly be considered classified. Sloppy, but hardly worth the attention it has received. If a "journalist" that clearly hates Trump and everything he does was really sent actual war plans (not debates), there is zero chance that he wouldn't have taken screen shots of all of it, let alone the most damaging sections. If someone has reputable sources of actual plans being shared, I'd be interested. Until then, I'll consider this simply the continued ravings of a person infected with TDS posing as a journalist.

Just got an email from AFPC. Going to Columbus RNLTD 5 May! SV8IPT CO 26-10

I am guessing Hegseth used Signal as part of his former gig at Foxnews which would explain the links to journalists. Also, Signal very popular in the SOF community...there is a whole Signal subculture. Sending it to the wrong person is not the issue, sending classified plans on a non-approved network is the issue. And if he did it he should be punished. Legally Comey help set the precedent that it not a big deal when we all know it is. It took intent from both Hegseth and Clinton to put that material on an unclassified network. 33,000 Hillary Emails had to be transferred off a classified network and copied onto an unclassified server, I never understood how Comey didn't see that as deliberate and with intent. I am very curious how Hegseth's deal plays out...again if the details are correct (to include weapons loads), then it was a deliberate effort to take material off and unclass network (pictures or digitally copied), and put it on Signal...or did he type a note with the details...either way UNSAT, no excuses, time to be held accountable.

ilhan omar tomorrow

To be fair, the previous admin was never at risk of leaking any secret war plans because none were made.

I hear you brother and there is blame to share but LM does NOT deserve all the blame. As noted, requirements creep and an unrelenting desire to purchase a single airframe for all services that forced multiple comprises, usually without coordination within the service let alone with other services. As an example I was in the five sided funny palace when they discovered the F-35 datalink was incompatible with the F-22 datalink...YGBSM...built by the same company! And for the record, that company tried repeatedly to tell the government it was an issue but got the hand waive from DoD until suddenly it was a crisis. Fat Amy will always get a bad name but behind the green door she is a bad bitch in her mission area. Post merge she is the chick you don't want your friends to see you with, especially when the bar closes and the lights come on. Behind closed doors and pre-merge she will rock your world (sts) like a MILF nymphomaniac who spent time in Thailand. I truly hope everyone continues to underestimate her. For all her incredible capabilities on the classified side, they made huge sacrifices to make a VTOL version. They made even more sacrifices to get the naval variant on the boat while meeting the range requirements...as a result it doesn't even have a gun...didn't we learn that less 50 years ago in Vietnam? Many of the issues are software related and driven by DoD that does not understand AGILE software development. The history of the sausage making behind the scenes is boring yet maddening, the government made it SOOO much harder (sts). Similarly look at the V-22...the Marines ran the program and controlled all the key design and performance requirements which led to many of today's issues. As an example, the rotor disc is not aerodynamically optimized, the diameter should be about 20% larger but it would not fit on the boat so out of the gate a huge sacrifice in performance that impacted every service that flies it. I am certainly not a test pilot but have been told the performance issues like Vortex Ring State are made worse by the reduced optimization of the rotor diameter. All is not doom and gloom, especially with Fat Amy. In reality in most circumstances if a peer or near peer gets to the merge with an F-35....even if the F-35 is flown by a mediocre pilot, something went very wrong. Not saying things don't go wrong, but she is not incapable.

that's a lot of questions bro, I'll try to engage: Your screenshots are real, and principals have said so. However those screenshots do not show any secret war plans and I see nothing inappropriate about them (other than the bone headed move to add the wrong person). The troubling claim is that within the same text chain secret information on operational details was shared, but the journalist was too patriotic to release that info. Instead we should trust him, and the principals should resign. DNI refuted that assertion under oath today, and the journalist himself has a history of pushing debunked Russian collusion claims in the past. If proof exists that these principals were discussing secret operational details on an unclassified system, fire them at a minimum. I think that covers the gist of your questions without answering each one line by line. curious what is meant by "secret war plans" considering the journalist making the claim has never seen secret war plans. I have, and I've seen unclass principal level discussion of messaging sync after tactical strikes. The legal distinction making something secret is if release could reasonably be suspected to cause damage to national security. So, let's see it then decide.

Popped up on my loosing roster 05 MAY RNLT, VANCE AFB

This seems really easy to get to the bottom of. Reporter officially turns over the screen shots if he hasn't already done so. Govt confirms that operational plans yet to happen were in them or they weren't. Longer it goes the longer it's likely its being blown out of proportion or was done intentionally. Disregard the tweet wording. Just watch the video.

It means that, unlike with ATF and JSF and every previous fighter acquisition program of the last 50 years, the AF claims to have internally designed much of the basic capabilities, and then only brought in Boeing and LM (and Northrop?) after -- reportedly years after --- to fully flesh out what they've done internally into an actual production aircraft. So, the opposite of putting out an RFP and having manufacturers design their own attempts to meet the requirements in the RFP. To wit: https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/

My CDB isn't showing my training dates yet, but I did the EFMP trick on vMPF and at least found out that I'm going to Vance. I've been checking that daily and it just started showing today as well. For anyone who hasn't found out where they're going yet, under assignments on vMPF go to Exceptional Family Member Program, then click edit/start my EFMP application. If your assignment hasn't been loaded yet, it will say there is no projected assignment or something along those lines. But if it doesn't say that, click next twice (click a random option on the second screen) and in the third screen it should tell you where you're going. Mine says "VH0JFSY9 OL MLST 71 STUDENT SQ FFSY90, VANCE AFB, OK"

Wickr won’t happen because, “it costs money.” Its a BS excuse when we’re paying registry keys for every other major software or app we use, but it was the exact reason given when we discussed making a transition off signal to it. My favorite thing about Wickr was the massive files it would let you push through it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You’re being intentionally dense. The reporter knew timing and location of when strikes were happening within 15 minutes of TTI. He knew this more than 2 hours before the strikes.

Stop trying to make WICKR happen! I'll never log into Teams!

You are not alone. Seems like it’ll be a last minute push from AFPC for some of us

Yeah I emailed AFPC about it and they said it was wrong and that they cancelled it. Still dunno why it happened in the first place, lol

Just got an email from AFPC: VANCE RNLTD: 12 May 2025 UPT: CSD 4 Jun 25; CGD 29 Jan 26 A lot earlier than expected, but can't complain! Looking forward to seeing some of you folks at Vance!

^^^^ the corporate partner. I kid, I kid CH.

Did you watch the testimony this morning? Signal was installed on their computers/phones one day one of the job by the GOVERNMENT. I am certain that came with usage restrictions but still! From an intel perspective the material was not classified, but they drew two very fine distinctions: 1. They CIA/FBI/DNI were not the arbitrator of DoD classified and referred questions to DoD - valid. 2. SECDEF is the declassification source for DoD material (I did not know that). In my mind a crap argument to assert SECDEF can declassify simply by sending...I hope that is not what they are going to argue. Bottomline - if the material was not classified as asserted, publish it for all to see...sunshine is the best disinfectant. If it was classified, do not publish and hold those responsible accountable. Not hard to say unless you are democrat talking about Hillary's private server and 33,000 emails.

Base security manager just sent out this email: “To confirm, Signal is not approved for CUI, OPSEC, or classified and would never be approved because it is not government owned or operated.”

That's exactly what they want, otherwise it's all a TDS deranged journalist. The article clearly said the author was not releasing information because it would put intel & other operations at risk, but I guess that needs to be put out as well. The bias to believe what you want to believe is always strong.

Nice dude! See you this summer!

Just got a training RIP for IFT (not IPT), which is funny cause I already have my PPL. Anyone else get the same thing? I'm assuming that means that I'll be going through the legacy T-6 syllabus at Vance or Laughlin though, which I'm happy about! Yeah I see my MFS date populated in my CDB so I was hoping I could see my UPT class date somewhere easily accessible as well without having to wait the 2 business days or whatever it is for my SURF to update.

Seems like today was the day for everyone, lol I'm going to MFS on 17 APR but does anyone know if there is any way to check my UPT class date since my CDB is populated with my MFS date?

That's a quick turnaround! Especially since it took so long for AFPC to release this info.

What level are ATOs? You know that timing and location would be classified prior to execution of an attack. Additionally, in the Atlantic article, the editor clearly censored multiple texts. Also, did you “see” any of Hillary’s screenshots? You have to understand you are entirely falling into a double standard because of political affiliation.

She was processing TS//SAR material at home. Is that what got put out on Signal in this case? As of now, I haven’t seen anything beyond some screenshots of who-gives-a-shit content. Not saying this couldn’t end up blowing up into something really bad, but for now there’s a lot of hot air blowing around without evidence to back up the level of “rage” responses on SM/MSM.

Course: PV4AU VH Start: 22 Jul 25 Grad: 18 March 26 Don’t have my PPL, but looks like I still going through the 2.5 syllabus.

Remember, the majority of this forum called for Hillary Clinton to go to prison when folks found out she was hosting a private messaging server for official business. I’m sure that there will be no double standards applied in this case. On the other hand, everyone could just ignore it and raise tenuous points about how this story could be fake news (which has essentially already been done), even though the administration confirmed its veracity.

Course : PV4AU LJ Start : 22 JUL 2025 GRAD : 18 MAR 2026 Just received! Still no MFS though...

Irish Rap for Irish American month!

I know. Trump hires only the best, top notch.... clowns. Ironic that Pete says OPSEC in the texts, via a texting app. Those dudes are a treasure trove for the PRC.

The F-4 could just barely eek out 5 G's, so that story checks out.

Some of you younger folks may not remember that the F-18, and the C-17 were criticized as boondoggles and worthless jobs programs. Every weapons system has some teething problems, let’s Hope Boeing minimizes them this time around.

Yup, He tapped out.