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There is no plan, none whatsoever. The left’s main message for the last decade has been hey we aren’t Trump all while bitching and whining about how bad Trump’s policies are with zero coherent messaging on actual policies that America could get behind. They never learn. When Trump goes off into the sunset in a couple years they will be left with nothing; except for the communists they have let into their mainstream political arena. Check out NYC and Michigan.

Anyone on the left want to address this? I read @17D_guy saying in the Iran thread that the Democratic party isn't going violently left...but most of us on ALL sides see it different and tend to agree with Mahar here. If your response is going to be ad hominin against Mahar, save it, we've heard that with Rogan. I'm a legit independent and I want a healthy system. Letting actual communists gain any power over one half of our political system is absolutely unacceptable. Seriously, what is the plan for a healthy Democratic party? Where are your open mic debates on campuses? Where is the pride in being American? Where is the recognition that communism is, in fact, a horrible idea?

Sure. But I think it's more likely that we're in an environment where the American people want everything for nothing and there is no shortage of politicians willing to offer it. The failure to provide the impossible will keep ping ponging the party in power. Terrible execution, no argument there. But I think the DSA surge has more to do with what I said above. We're in the bad part of the cycle, and the politics are going to reflect that Sure, but I listed a lot of very good policy from the conservative perspective. Trump pairs it with unhinged social media posting and rampant lying. And familial corruption now. That'll drive voters away for sure, but again, not more than the unrealistic voter expectations. The flaw in the logic is that: @No One is trying to say Kamala would have been better. Trump may drive voters to the Democrats, but the response to that isn't to give crazy Democrats power earlier. Just like I wish the Republicans picked a better candidate (DeSantis), I wish the Democrats did too. But they didn't. We got two idiots, but with very different policy. And Trump's policy is overwhelmingly good. Everything else about him sucks. I don't care about hypothetical candidates. There wasn't a Clinton Democrat to vote for.

The irony of you calling me out for “tribalism” from a post where I was calling people out for that very thing is hilarious. Not to turn this into another political bitch fest thread on Baseops, but the only one being blinded by tribalism between us two is you. Yes, I am thankful every single day that Kamala Harris is not President. The Democrat party of today is an absolute disaster that is hell bent on destroying this country. Trump is a side show. A cluster fuck of a side show at times, I’ll give you that, and frankly it’s a show I’ve criticized many many times on this very website. It’s also one that the democrats are successfully weaponizing to elect and then enact their own disastrous candidates/policies. That I very much believe is a problem and a huge drawback to Trumpism. But to lecture on about who is bigger threat to this country when the democrats continue to trot out absolute batshit candidates and policies; yeah, sorry, it’s weak and it’s boring. I mean hell, Bill Maher came out and said his vote is in play this next cycle. That’s how far off in La La land the current Democrat party is. I’ll also add, my vote is always in play too. I’m a registered independent and thanks to the military I’ve lived in both deep blue and deep red states, and now willingly live in a purple to slightly blue state. In fact, the two senators from my state were both once legit centrist democrats that I also once voted for as a younger man. They of course are no longer that and trot out the same batshit party line as everyone else from the Democrat party these days. Frankly I don’t give two craps about what party you’re from if you actually have solid centrist to center right policy ideas that might actually make this country better. Both parties struggle at that in many ways, but the democrats are putting nobody forward that even comes close. Anyway, pointless and worthless internet rant is now over, but spare me the holier than though lecturing and crocodile tears of “BUT TRUMP!” I’ve stepped outside the political tribal bubble plenty of times in my life when I’ve gone to the ballot box. Back to regularly scheduled Iran cluster fuck, version 4.0 or later whatever we’re on.