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I'm not sure what reporting you're looking at, but the shooter apparently was credibly engaged in a homosexual relationship with a same-sex individual who was "transitioning." Seems to me that latent homosexuality and the fact that he wasn't feeling accepted by a social movement that is growing in popularity - or rather rejected by a louder, and increasingly verbal group of right-wing people - is a likely motivating factor for this person taking his feelings and redirecting them outward in an act of extreme violence. Maybe they weren't in a relationship and the shooter was merely acting out of a perception that his friend needed his honor defended. It doesn't really matter. The fact is that people can have whatever upbringing you want, and can turn out poorly - the opposite is true as well. They can be raised by right-wing priests and turn out blue-haired nymphomaniacs. Or they can be raised by left-wing granola bars, and wind up Jehovah's witnesses. You and everyone else understands this. The sad part for all of us is that for a long time - a very long time - this country was getting along and moving in a great direction. Black culture was seemingly becoming less violent. Gays were winning (and have won) increased acceptance throughout all but the most backwater parts of our society. A generation of kids grew up playing together and not really caring about skin color or cultural differences, and so on and so on. Then, for whatever reason, that all seemed to change. I'm not sure why, but things were different. Not "I perceived that things were different," but actually different. Now, we are becoming less "liberal" and far less tolerant. I lament we are becoming less liberal (in the true sense of the word), but I think that becoming far less tolerant is probably good and necessary. I think it is largely due to forces on the Left that demanded ridiculous, insane, and frankly, deranged capitulations. See "men have periods / can become pregnant," "men should be allowed to compete in women's sports," "black people are hunted by cops," "COVID didn't leak from a lab," etc. Those are my priors and I think evidence supports all of them in varying degree. Jan 6th isn't happening dude. Sorry, it just isn't. It's not the Pearl Harbor or September 11th you wish it was. 25 years from now we're not going to be holding "Remember" ceremonies throughout our society. A few token dems might, but they'll be the only ones. In 69 years, we're not going to mark the "passing of the last survivor of the Jan 6th attack on the Capitol," except for maybe some future talking-head on MSNBC. What it was in objective reality was a massive gathering of right-wing individuals (that got wildly out of hand), but which was organized in RESPONSE to actual, government-sanctioned anarchy that was ushered in and actively encouraged by prominent left-wing leadership throughout multiple layers of our government. This includes presidential and vice-presidential candidates. It includes governors. It includes mayors. It includes senators. It includes congressmen and women. With our own eyes, we all saw the chaos begin to unfold starting in the Summer of 2020, and continue through to the election and inauguration of Joe Biden. It was the unstated TACTIC of the Democratic party, implemented in order to undermine Donald Trump. I'm not justifying Jan 6th, but let's also not pretend that it arose randomly and thus points at some underlying reality that the US is a KKK-style right-wing hellscape. That's all in your head dude. It happened because of COVID lock-downs and people getting bored. The dems saw an opportunity to re-focus this boredom into channels that applied pressure on fault lines within their many of their most favored political constituencies. They saw a political opportunity and capitalized on it. A cynical play for sure. You can see them trying the same playbook again, but it's not having quite the same success this time around. Probably because we're not all locked-down with nothing better to do...

I know right! Kinda of like removing all historic statues and changing the name of bases.

Lovely. Part of the sadness I feel about asinine comments like these, is that they are driven by the stereotype of Charlie Kirk, and not the facts. All you have to do is watch a few of the clips from his "encounters" and you discover he was none of the nasty things he's being called right now. The level of ignorance-fueled hate is, as always, unbelievable - but expected from the left.

Seeing staunch liberals lament doxing by conservatives on social media is truly ironic. Whether I agree with doxing or not it's hilarious to see a group of people that collectively champion cancel culture getting canceled themselves. Fortunately, those currently on the receiving end of the movement they created will no doubt see the error in their ways and we can all move away from this retardation /s.

Of course their assassinations were horrible and wrong. As for not posting about it, I don’t think most people (nationally) even know who those people were, whereas Charlie Kirk was definitely well known. And if you did an unsuccessful search for their names, why didn’t you post about it when it occurred? The point is what I don’t recall is a big conservative push to say how it was a good thing those state reps were killed—unless I missed something?

The left is an unhinged cult. And to be clear, I’m not talking about the moderate dems who hold liberal beliefs on social services, health care, economics, etc. I’m talking about the large group on the left who cannot stand to hear someone doesn’t agree with them and subsequently wishes harm and ruin on them because of a differing opinion. That group is quite large. Time for people to wake up and actually hold these lunatics accountable for their rhetoric and actions.

How fascinating. The Trump supporters will continue to support him so long as he continues to align with their primary political concerns? And they won't abandon him based on personal flaws, big though they may be, so long as their political needs are aligned? Did you just describe... A representative democracy? There's hope for you yet.

A most accurate description of my time in the voter booth.

So how many retired guys here have their 'Rank' (Ret.) as their titles at their new job? Absolutely zero chance you would ever catch me referring to my retired military rank. He's the president of a huge university, isn't that enough? I had to go to his speech one time on active duty and walked away thinking "How does everyone not see right through this guy? That was nothing but dumb pandering and anyone that was motivated by that is probably dumb enough that we don't need him."

1. charlie kirk is nationally known. some state senators not so much. 2. his assassination was captured up close in graphic detail. 3. this is clearly a political assassination. i don't even know who killed the hortmans. did they ever publish a motive or find the killer? i honestly don't know. kirk's death is a visual symbol of a direct attack on the first amendment.

I'll explain it. It's different because people on the right were calling for people to be doxxed for things that literally every sane person in the world agrees with - i.e. murdering people based on their beliefs is something that should not be tolerated. So yeah, let's dox those people in order to shame them and root out what is a sick and anti-social sect of people who for whatever reason seem to be gaining power in our country. On the other hand, people on the left were using doxxing as a means to impose a measure of social pressure and control on groups of people they would fear would speak out against their latest social fad / cause: all whites are racists, but Blacks cannot be racist; transgenderism is natural, etc, etc. In other words they're using doxxing to avoid having a conversation about what are controversial topics. In short, the right is using doxxing to preserve society and social norms. The left is using it to undermine society. See the difference? I will say fairly, that using doxxing to target bystanders (i.e. someone's family) is gross no matter what the circumstances. Sins of the father and all... And I'm not sure what your opinion is on nuclear weapons, but we wouldn't respond in-kind to NK with a bio or chem attack because we don't have those types of weapons anymore. But if NK used bio / chem in an appreciable way (not a couple shells here or there) that was going to turn the tide of battle in their favor, you better believe we'd pull out the nukes.

TDS really is strong (even stronger than maga apparently). We all know Trump is a douchebag, big exaggerator/liar, philanderer, egomaniac, attention whore, etc. But, his policy choices are still better than any democrat’s. So, you got one part of your tirade correct. I pinched my nose and pulled the lever because he wasn’t Kamala or Newsom. And even with his numerous flaws, we’re better off with him in DC than Kamala.

For clarity, you think the Biden DOJ had proof that Trump was criminally involved with Epstein, they didn't prosecute him because of mutually assured destruction, but are now leaking because...? If it was MAD last year, what changed? If you add some details to your theory I could better understand your position. My theory is that this is just another fake scandal, there has been nonstop hints of evidence none of which bore fruit upon close examination. But happy to have a good faith discussion since neither of us know the truth.

Do you really think the Biden admin sat for years on evidence Trump was criminally involved with Epstein? I don't believe there's anything to this, just another fake scandal. But don't worry, you'll get him this time!

My favorite thing to say in the cockpit when one of the boomers goes on an anti-millennial rant... "Uh, and who exactly bought the participation trophies?" Silence

Apples and oranges comparison. Trump’s stupid/unprofessional tweets are not the same, nor even a “slippery slope,” to someone’s tweet celebrating murder. I’m sure we agree on the cringe level of many Trump tweets, but they don’t even make the CF list in this debrief.

You are entirely missing the point. yes, both sides have fruitcakes but the Dem fruitcakes are YOUR leaders. The videos I attached have one loon (Maxine Water that I would equate to Meregie Taylor Green, but the others are the leaders of the Democratic Party....the Speaker of the House and the Senate Minority Leader! Break Break There has a been a wave of backlash and firings, some posted here. A friend knows they guy compiling the big database that is tracking 20,000 people who made comments and are being targeted to lose their job. He said nearly half are teachers...the right has been saying for years, the fight has been in the schools and universities. They fired the EA to the Vice Chancellor at my son's college after some incredibly hateful words pots. Something to think about.

I don't care if the guy was trans, straight or gay. He fucked up bad and people celebrated it. Those people are the ones I'm concerned about.

Should have just said the last part "our society is unwell" Looks like the assassin had a male-to-female trans partner...you know, like all Christian dudes. https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/ Sent from my SM-S918U using Baseops Network mobile app

So you can't be a progressive if you have conservative parents? The bullets didn't have MAGA forever written on them. Your forecasting history hasn't been great.

Sure thing tough guy. Probably because we have not had as many political assassinations in recent years. Also, Vance and Kirk were good friends. Finally, for close to half the nation, this was a significant emotional event. They tried to kill Trump twice, why should we be surprised. And when they did try to kill Trump, the left questioned if he was even shot instead of trying to calm things down. It is not just the media

I’ve never heard of the same type of scenario playing out, not to say it has never happened. That said, I’m not going to be upset about this or take it as a slight against military members, their sacrifice, etc. This tragedy is an extraordinary moment in our history, so it’s not a crazy notion to do things that treat/emphasize it as such.

The problem with being a political stooge is that eventually, you get caught playing both sides. Welsh's posturing would hit different if he hadn't been such an ardent DEI advocate previously. https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-ams-interim-president-historically-promotes-dei/

Huge news out of Florida. Law banning open carry ruled unconstitutional.

Don't forget the part where the hundreds of people who were involved in the maintenance of the island, transportation of people, or the victimized women themselves who for some reason are also protecting the reputations of the alleged rapists. And of course the part where somehow Epstein was running an intelligence operation where dozens of powerful people were offered children to fuck, and somehow every single one either accepted the offer or independently decided to keep it a secret. I'm no fan of the ruling class, but to think they are *all* secret kiddie diddlers is a bit much. Like I said, it had potential, but it turns out he was just a child molester who also knew a lot of famous people.

Chicago's last GOP mayor was in 1931, Big Jim Thomson, I enlisted in Chicago in 1980 in the southwest side Mount Greenwood where the majority of Cops and Firemen live my cousin being one of them. I went to two of High School reunions there and both times it gets worse from the economic downturn I see in the old neighborhood. The progressive politicians whose base is on the Chicago's north shore white affluent liberals keep electing even more out of touch Democrats who are running the place into the ground. I bet if Da Mayor old Richard J Daley was still alive, they would consider him a Republican. It still makes me tear up when our class president was murdered by 3 POS's from the west side because she couldn't open the safe at our local McDonalds in 79. The trigger man is still doing hard time for it, today he would have beat the rap due to the Cook County DA being hyper liberal.

turns out I'm a Joneser

Still a boomer.

The left has been pushing hate and rage for years, inciting violence constantly. This has culminated in a leftist (or at least someone who bought the left’s rhetoric to an extent) assassinating someone. Conservatives aren’t starting a war, the left started this war many decades ago, and they have really crossed the line now. We may be at a significant FAFO moment in our history - remains to be seen what that means in the coming weeks/months/years. Necessary disclaimer: the term “left” used above does not describe those that simply have liberal views on economics, healthcare, social services (e.g. welfare), etc. It describes those who hold views diametrically opposed to American/Christian values and seek to destroy those ideas and institutions. Examples are movements like Antifa and BLM, people who openly cheer, or at least tacitly support, murder of those they disagree with, etc.

GMAFB? Funny you never asked the question the other way... George Clooney: The actor accompanied Biden on Air Force One in June 2024 for a major campaign fundraiser in Los Angeles. Julia Roberts: Roberts also flew with Biden for the star-studded Los Angeles fundraiser in June 2024. Jimmy Kimmel: The late-night host was a guest on Air Force One with Biden and other celebrities for the fundraiser event in Los Angeles. Sean McGarvey: A top union official, McGarvey was one of a group of union workers invited by Biden to tour the aircraft in September 2024

If Vance was on AF-2 the C-17 usually transports his limo’s and Secret Service Detail. Normal ops.

From a Delta bro… It’s possible that there might actually be appropriate actions for one’s consequences. What a novel concept.

An Update from President Mark A. Welsh III General (Ret.) Mark A. Welsh III President September 9, 2025 Members of the Aggie Family, I am reaching out today to follow up on a statement I distributed through social media yesterday regarding an ongoing issue with one of our 16,000 course sections. I directed the Provost to remove the College of Arts and Sciences Dean and English Department Head from their administrative positions. This afternoon, following full consideration of the facts related to this situation, I directed the Provost to terminate the professor involved, effective immediately. Please understand that these decisions were mine alone and were not made lightly. While I cannot provide all the details at this time, I will share the following facts. This summer, a children’s literature course contained content that did not align with any reasonable expectation of standard curriculum for the course. After this issue was raised, college and department leadership worked with students to offer alternative opportunities for students to complete the course, and made changes to ensure this course content does not continue in future semesters. At that time, I made it clear to our academic leadership that course content must match catalog descriptions for each and every one of our course sections. However, I learned late yesterday that despite that directive, the college continued to teach content that was inconsistent with the published course description for another course this fall. As a result, I took the above administrative actions, and deans and department heads will conduct an audit of course offerings to ensure they align with the course descriptions. Our students use the published information in the course catalog to make important decisions about the courses they take in pursuit of their degrees. If we allow different course content to be taught from what is advertised, we break trust with our students. When it comes to our academic offerings, we must keep faith with our students and with the state of Texas. This isn’t about academic freedom; it’s about academic responsibility. Our degree programs and courses go through extensive approval processes, and we must ensure that what we ultimately deliver to students is consistent with what was approved. Texas A&M is a great university — the best in the world. This is a place that honors academic freedom and academic responsibility. It’s also a place that unequivocally abides by state and federal law. Together, we will remain committed to our Aggie Core Values and providing our students with the education and experience they deserve. r/mark General (Ret.) Mark A. Welsh III, President In short a professor was teaching content in a Children's Literature Class in direct opposition to a new Texas law that there are more than two genders. A student objects and the prof tells them to leave. Well done Boomer!

The suspect in their killing had a list of pro-abortion figures, so yes, it was definitely political. I do not recall a single prominent conservative making excuses for or celebrating their murders.

Strongly oppose anything other than public disclosure of what they said out there for public consumption. Families should never be doxed (home info, relatives, etc). Make the owner of the words stand by them, but counter with more accurate and truthful words not violence (unless as someone outlined, self defense). I’m all for defending someone, if the perpetrator is intent on doing physical harm/death, with the use of copious amounts of deadly force.

Murder is bad...right? We are most definitely facing societal decline when murder is tolerated. People who condone murder should be labeled as terrorists.

It's different because the Overton window is real, and it matters. And for too long the right has allowed the left full control of the window. You absolutely 100% should lose your livelihood and reputation for saying certain things. The question is, what are those things? You cannot have a society that has absolutely no shared values, and not being murdered for holding an opposing belief is a pretty obvious value. Take note, I did not say that the government should be the one to take your job from you for speech. But if we societally can't agree that supporting the murder of innocent people is not an acceptable view to hold, and as such, a disqualifying view from civil participation, then we do not have a society. The more extreme examples of this are on full display in Europe right now. But if we don't get a handle on it, we will follow them. We do not have 350 million philosophers in America. People by and large adopt the views of those around them, and express them only if they believe it is safe to do so. Technology has made it possible for citizens to be exposed to ideologies that we didn't used to have to worry about. We are operating as though the lunatics amongst us are limited in their reach to a soapbox on a street corner. That is just not the case anymore. Absolutely humiliating anyone who promotes the idea that Charlie Kirk, or anyone like him, should have been killed, will dramatically reduce such discourse, and as a result, dramatically reduce the spread of these poisonous beliefs. And yes, for the most extreme violations of the Overton window, getting punched repeatedly in the face is on the table. We need to stop pretending like the miracle that is the United States was created through a tortured definition of freedom of thought or expression that the framers never intended.

Here in Utah, Governor Cox reminded the media that Utah has the death penalty. I wouldn't be surprised if the suspect is caught, both the state and the feds charge a capital case.

Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial. 20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.

Yeah, you may be on to something there..."berate" is a bit hyperbolic, but it possibly shows a willingness to ignore the situation until it became national news.

Not being flippant or justifying it, but the answer is violence. Look at history. What do you see?

No one on the left, right, or anywhere in between should be shot (or suffer violence) for speaking their beliefs. I hope he recovers. I also hope someone personally informed his wife and kids rather than them enduring the mental anguish that would surely ensue a viewing of their husband/father being critically (and perhaps fatally) injured in the video.

@SpeedOfHeat, to your credit, there is actually quite a lot of truth in what you write here. It suggests you have more SA than some of your other posts indicate. You may be close to achieving a theory of mind for those on the right. You are 100% correct in that we (or I) don't care what Trump does at this point - within reason. And it's because of one thing: the massive institutional abuse of power that democrats have systematically engaged in during the past 10-15 years. It's not that it's directly about the "blue hairs" and the "nose rings" or all the other fill-in-the-blanks. It's about the fact that the democrats have embarked on an intentional project of Balkanizing the United States. And that project, is a greater threat to our way of life and future prosperity than anything one man is capable of doing. So yeah, I don't subscribe or endorse everything Trump does. It's just that what he's doing brings the US into alignment with our core values MORE than the left does. You don't agree. And I understand why you don't. You need to figure out why the right supports Trump. It's not SOLELY because he's a troll. The fact that his masterful trolling triggers many on the left is something I get to laugh at. It's kind of a bonus, but it's not the meat and potatoes. Oh, and was that meme being ironical? You do know that the whole "drink your own piss" thing came from Yoga, which is a practice many on the Left align with? i.e. drinking your own urine was considered a health practice by those on the Left. So it'd be funny if someone on the right turned it into a meme. Coming from someone on the Left is just kinda confusing.

Otherwise known as Grandpa's UPT.

Is it a provocative tweet...absolutely, and intentionally so. It forces the Democrats to continue defending the wrong side of an 80-20 issue to most people on the streets in big cities run by Democrats over the last century. It's curious how the last 2x times the Trump 2.0 sent in troops, in Los Angeles and D.C., Karen Bass and the LA City Council, Gavin Newsom and the CA Congress, and Muriel Bowser and the D.C. City Council, all remained in power and continue to this day in D.C. to exercise their rights and responsibilities as the duly and freely elected civilian government. I mean, if Trump wanted a takeover, he would physically remove the government and install a puppet local government, ala Iraq in 2004 under G. W. Bush in the immediate post-OIF op. I think Johnson and the fat billionaire Pritzker will be physically ok as their lie of "what else could we do?" is exposed against crime. Emotionally, they'll be slaughtered, but physically, they and their families will be fine. This experiment in freedom didn't turn to shit just because G. H. W. Bush, Lyndon Johnson, JFK, Eisenhower, Woodrow Wilson, Grover Cleveland, Hayes, Grant, Lincoln, or Jackson sent in federal troops to local municipalities since 1807...lots of precedence in support of it. Until there's a direct and actual threat against elected governments, I'm less than concerned about troops moving in.

This forum needs a TDS button.