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Stolen from social media... The NTSB held its second and final on scene media briefing regarding N722BD this afternoon. The agency says it recovered the aircraft’s left elevator in three pieces between 1.3 and 3.8 miles from the crash site. Most likely, it broke off at FL150-250 due to stress from the overspeed dive. ie, damaged during the dive, not damage that caused the dive. The following is from a pilot who flew the Lear 60 for over 15 years. "“We always fly in ridiculous cold temperatures.” “Usually you get the bad ice when the temperatures are like 0 to negative 20. Believe it or not, there's a point where it gets too cold for ice. At negative 40, you pretty much can't get ice. Besides that, the airplane is equipped with hot wings and hot tail.” “I flew the Lear 60 for like 15 years. It's a no joke airplane and probably the most dangerous airplane I've ever flown. It has a super critical wing. The airflow has to be perfect. When it gets into rough air and turbulence, it will easily stall. It has stalled on me at 41,000 feet just because we got into some turbulence. (On the way to Palm Beach as a matter of fact. ) we recovered and got her flying again around 30,000 ft. Scary But here's the problem. This airplane has a terrible coffin corner. (At high altitudes) what that means is, you fly in a really narrow window where if you lose 20 knots, it stalls. And if you gain 20 knots, it goes into overspeed. The air goes supersonic over the wing and it goes into a high speed stall, or worse, a Mach tuck. So if you stall, the normal recovery is to push the yoke forward to lower the nose and gain air speed again. At low altitude, you can push really hard and recover quickly. But in the 60... if you push hard, it will gain air speed and go into a high speed stall, it doesn't take much. It's very sensitive. The 60 has super short wings that don't make much lift. So then you high speed stall, and the computer is yelling at you... OVERSPEED! So then you pull back and enter a low speed stall. And you go back and forth trying to keep it in the air speed window. This whole thing is pretty scary. And you should recover basically by using your finger tips using super small corrections. You can't over do it. If you try to muscle the recovery, she gets mad and will become unrecoverable. If she enters a mach tuck. You're done.” “I taught the Lear 60 to other pilots and mentored them. I told them... this airplane has a soul and it's trying to kill you. Do not ever try to top the weather. Don't go over a thunderstorm. Go around it. If it means a half hour longer, then do it. Going over the thunderstorm will go into turbulence that you might not recover from. These pilots went right over a thunderstorm. I think it stalled which caused them to drop down into the thunderstorm and ended up in mach tuck. They picked up so much speed that it ripped off the horizontal stabilizer. At that point... chuck Yeager can't fix it. These same pilots did something similar a couple months ago. ATC got mad at them. They poked the bear one too many times. This is not a beginner airplane."

So far the only thing that I can see affected by her age would be how extraordinarily difficult it would be for a 20-year-old FO to tell a 55-year-old PIC that he's a moron for trying to climb over or through/close to a thunderstorm. Hell, I'm 41, experienced, and largely unsocialized, and even still sometimes I have the internal debate over telling the dipshit in the left seat that 20 miles from any thunderstorm is the rule, not a suggestion. Some of these guys act like they are charged a fee for every degree to the left or right that they deviate. Sometimes it feels like it would be easier to just say nothing.

They don't want to stonewall him, they want retribution...They do nothing but impeach and investigate for the next two years as they have no plan (other than socialism). If the people want the DNC is charge, so be it but if they hate Trump so much they are choosing Socialism that is another story. If Abdul El-Sayed wins we have crossed a line, the voters will have selected a man with deep ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, a man who signed a letter urging Egyptian leadership to PURGE the press, and he campaigned with a man who said America had 9/11 coming to it. That is beyond hate of Trump, that is the end of a great 250 year experiment.

Interesting how much focus is on her specifically (implication is she’s young and a woman, therefore causal). We’ll see what the NTSB comes up with, but my money is it has little to nothing to do with her (maybe a comment on CRM breakdown in the ADM process leading up to the event?) Either way, sad all around. Don’t fly through T-storms guys (and here’s proof it can happen to anyone at all experience levels - the why will be the interesting part of the investigation).

Lots of interest here in the Texas Guard about the future of the Texas Military Department. Having lost all of the statewide elections, we are waiting to see what significant changes come down other than the obvious. Operation Lone Star will be done on day 1 opening up the border again. If General Suelzer isn’t confirmed as the new DANG, he will be out of a job. We understand it’s Klobuchar in Minnesota that is holding up his nomination. Either way, we will have a new TAG. The Houston mayor has already backed off with ICE cooperation. We will see what other cities follow suit. Sanctuary cities in Texas are a real possibility as well. Sad stuff for a lot of Texans. Truly sad.

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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Trump has nothing left to lose and will likely unleash hell on Iran. If he closes it (a BIG if), and gas prices drop....GDP is already STRONG at 3.4%. If gas prices drop and inflation cools the last two years of his tenure could be VERY good for our economy. The market is VERY happy today as they see things will bog down for the next two years. I was up $104K a little while ago. Oddly, oil is down below $90 ($88). I saw some raw data about all the new pipelines that have opened around the straight and how the flow is WAY up. Look for the GOP positioning to start soon....Desantis already had a news conference this morning distancing himself from the loss and touting the big wins in Florida that "held the line." Trump loves Vance, I am not a fan. I have been very impressed by Rubio and would prefer he jump to the front of the line. He is seen as more moderate and would capture a lot of the Hispanic/Latino vote.

Standby for left side gloating, a bunch of useless legal actions against Trump that will do absolutely nothing, and a worthless federal government with more attempts at DEI type BS, delayed military promotion boards, and absolutely no useful legislation passed for the next 2 years. So....ops normal. What's sincerely concerning is the El-Sayed win. THAT is the beginnings of how the USA becomes not the USA anymore. It was close. I'd love to see an audit of that vote to see exactly how it went down. Something like 11 of 83 counties in Michigan made that happen. Current stats say 2.5 mil to 2.1 mil is how he won...when there are over 8 million registered voters in Michigan. People need to get out and vote. The indifference of good people is how we lose America to Islam.

Don't worry, the Dems will royally fuck up the next two years, leading to another flip.

Will get killed if the wife sees this

Over 1,000 days.

Maybe the government actually needs to figure out what requirements they want by, I dunno, talking to operators and maintainers who fly and work on aircraft? Stop letting retard aquitition officers and civilians throw bullshit in RFI/RFPs, then get pissy when it's almost impossible to keep a timeline due to moving or impossible requirements. This is coming from someone who worked on the KC-46 contract, drafting contract change proposals, engineering change proposals, basis of estimates, responding to RFI/RFP/PCOLs, and currently works on the F-16 program.

The rumblings begin. Rubio might resign and pregame a presidential run. Honestly, if Vance wants to stand a chance, he probably has to oppose Trump to the point of getting fired, but he won't. DeSantis is about to become a Mr in Jan, so I expect he'll play. With TX singing Blue Bayou like a gaggle of drunk woo girls at at bachelorette party high on gummies, Adderall, and White Claws, Crus is sitting very alone at a back wall table stirring his melted ice brown water with his swizzle stick, probably thinking, fuck it, lets play, and he forms a P-Run committee. The key will be who gets Elon's money without the vitriol that comes with getting Elon's money. I'm expecting a crowded field come primary season. Meanwhile (in a Frank Caliente voice), the Dems will be too busy with frying Trump et al, that they forget that the next election is the next election. Like last time, they'll shrug, do it live (Ds suck at planning), and force another tarded pick on the people. "You will vote for Kamala and like it!!" I predict a Republican President in 2028.

MARSHA Blackburn, not Martha. Rubio has proven his metal and found a way to navigate the Trump bombastic comments by sticking to policy. I think he has been great as SECSTATE and it rounded out his resume. Proven Senator with superb foreign policy experience. It will come down to the grip Trump has on the GOP and the way the voters walked away from him it will be easier for the party leadership to ignore Trump and push JD aside.

I love vance coming out today and acknowledging the iran war was a mistake and drove many voters against the GOP dude you had a responsibility to be saying this before we attacked iran. wtf. vance was against attacking iran. make your objection known by resigning.

Govern from the center, govern well, don’t go on a revenge tour. 47 couldn’t handle that, hence the blue wave. The GOP will come back in ‘28 if the Dems take this as a mandate to do a bunch of weird stuff. This was a referendum on Trump, NOT a blue mandate. Closed primaries ensure we get the wildest candidates from both sides.

republicans are an excellent minority party, but a terrible ruling party. the amount of self ownage trump has done this term is shocking. they deserve this.

I believe DG is still the top 10%. 18 does seem like a smaller class though. My class started with 24 and we lost a couple at Initial Pilot Training, but picked up a few at the beginning of UPT. There’s a class that has 29 a few classes behind us.

Now do one on the PIC, the guy in charge.

It's like when Skeletor was CSAF and they have a one-size fits all model. The science says something completely different. Crusier seems like his clone, why is it always the Eagle clowns?

The co-pilot has been identified by her family as 20-year-old Nathalia Gadelha Filgueiras, who began flying lessons at just 14. By 17, she had earned her private pilot’s license while attending West Boca Raton High School. Per her family, she was so proud to earn her wings before getting her driver’s license. Her love of aviation started young, and she was determined to turn that passion into a career flying commercial airliners. Rest in peace.

One of the refreshing things about this administration was an end to DEI/CRT and all that crap. I anticipate that shit will come back but it will take some time.

Contractors usually make a good portion of their profit with contract modifications (e.g., KC-46 RVS 2.0). Even then, it’s usually only 8-12% profit, in my experience.

A lot of shake ups yesterday. It took Miami half the game to figure out how to play without Toney. The faithful are saving we got robbed on the TD catch...I could go either way but the refs gave us good calls in other games so we were due. Win out and we are in...Toney should be back for the ACC title game. UGA stomped Ole Miss...My son was there and by the 3rd quarter the fans were throwing things on the field. Ungood Rebels... Utah looks TOUGH! The truly sad part about yesterday, a parade of powerful November games will have far less meaning next year with a 24 team playoff.

I am fully retired now, but throughout my career, I generally preferred Firm-Fixed-Price (FFP) contracts for everything except situations like this. With FFP contracts, I was driven to find efficiencies that could increase profitability. Improvements in manufacturing efficiency, supply chain management, engineering processes, and labor productivity directly improve margins. The problem arises when the government has shifting priorities and requirements, as it did with the T-7. The program is a perfect example of how winning a competitive FFP development contract is not necessarily the same thing as winning a profitable program. The Air Force made three significant changes to the T-7 program and, in my view, attempted to push much of the associated cost onto Boeing. I suspect SNC is concerned the Navy will do something similar. 1. Expanded pilot accommodation requirements The Air Force expanded the required pilot accommodation range, primarily affecting the crew escape system. At contract award, the requirements were based substantially on a 1967 male pilot survey. Two years after the award, the Air Force changed the requirement to accommodate the central 95% of the U.S. recruiting population, including women weighing as little as 103 pounds. This was a significant and expensive engineering change to the aircraft. 2. Evolving training performance requirements The training performance requirements were not fully defined at the outset. To its credit, the Air Force wanted a platform that was not simply a replacement for the T-38, but a better training aid for fourth- and fifth-generation aircraft. Initial testing revealed that the aircraft did not meet the sustained-G performance metrics and exhibited significant wing rock at high angles of attack (AOA). The Air Force offered to pay the increased engineering costs to address these issues, but those costs were not fully burdened, and Boeing lost significant money implementing some of the fixes. Ultimately, the Air Force lowered some of the performance requirements. 3. Changes to the procurement strategy When a company bids on a contract, particularly an FFP contract, much of the anticipated profit comes in the out-years as production ramps up. If you slip the schedule by a year and reduce the number of aircraft purchased each year, the financial impact on the vendor can be devastating. Based on the original schedule, Boeing purchased many long-lead items in advance to reduce costs and meet delivery requirements. When the Air Force changed the procurement strategy, Boeing was left holding the bag on much of that supply chain commitment. From a taxpayer perspective, FFP contracts are generally a good thing. You budget for a capability and spend within that budget unless you change the requirements. They also incentivize companies to invest their own money in Independent Research and Development (IR&D), which drives innovation throughout the U.S. defense industry. The situation under Trump has been different because the government injected significant amounts of money into defense programs all at once. Prior to that, the Department of Defense was increasingly asking industry to assume all the risk, only to occasionally cancel programs after companies had invested tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars in development. The Light Attack program is a perfect example. The Air Force spent relatively little while promising to purchase hundreds of aircraft, a commitment that never materialized. I know several CEOs who went to the Pentagon after that and a few other similar incidents and essentially said, "We won't play this game again." Justifiably so. They have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. I know of two occasions when my former company flat-out said, "NO THANKS" when the Air Force asked us to bid on something. The service was incredulous, and the Secretary of the Air Force eventually engaged our CEO directly. His response was essentially: Either you fund the development upfront or give us a contract. If not, adios. I highly suspect that was the same calculus SNC used in making its decision.

No way, not possible. Some acquisitions LT knows better.

Final update on AR Lonoke Co Sheriff's race. Recap. Aaron Spencer killer the man that abducted his teen daughter in a struggle caught on his dash cam. Investigators "lost" the data card. Spencer decides to run for sheriff and beat the incumbent the primary. 2nd degree murder case, reassigned by State Supreme Ct to Special Circuit Judge due to mishandling the case. In June, all charges were dropped with prejudice. Larry Behnke, a conservative independent, former Army, experienced LEO entered the sheriff's race. He won, 54%. By all accounts, seems like a solid man for the job. His campaign was just about him and his plan. Nice to see that can still work.

New fold up truck gun. There is a Glock 17 Gen 5 in there. Holds two extra mags on the gun.

I agree with some of what you say except for Rubio, who I felt has done a good job distancing himself from the Trump Shit Show unlike Vance and Hegseth. If he, DeSantis and/or Cruz can maintain a safe buffer from the expected insanity over the next two years, they can be well positioned to make a run for the presidency or vice presidency. He and DeSantis could also change their state of residency over the next two years as Cheney did before 2000. I hear Alaska, Delaware, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming are all nice places to live! 😁😁😁😁 As for Cruz and DeSantis being "deeply unappealing weirdos," they're nowhere near the level on insanity that the Democratic party has put foward over the past ten years. Lastly, while "the presidency and congress are at odds because it’ll just be gridlock that ensures nothing too crazy happens in either direction" may be true, it also prevents good things from happening as well. I'm not sure what term I'd use to describe the next two years, but "optimistic" is not high on the list!

You may be right but I think you underestimate the willingness of the left to impeach, investigate and keep the focus on conflict. Trump will be Trump but I think the general public will grow weary of the constant bickering and they will accomplish nothing, opening the door for a GOP resurgence in two years. All of the usual suspects (Schumer, Schiff and AOC), are prioritizing sweeping investigations, and potential impeachment inquiries targeting specific members of the Trump administration and his FAMILY.

I amend my request: Rubio/Mike Rowe ticket.

That’s awesome lol. When the homeless situation/crime gets worse then I’m sure they’ll blame it on right wing extremism or something of the like.

I swear I typed a Z after an autocorrect.

I'm usually not surprised by much these days. The instant, over the top reactions by much of the bozosphere on this accident actually did surprise me a bit. From the left it must've been a Trump sponsored shootdown to the right this had to be DEI related, was honestly just disappointing.

Maybe he matured? I didn’t have any issues with him as commandant or as a group/cc. That said, every GO in my book is a “prove to me you’re not a spineless yes man” guy - regardless of who they were previously. Time will tell on how he is when he’s in the seat (eventually, probably…)

All the likely next in lines to Cruiser are also Eagle drivers (Spain, Hinds, etc.) however both of them are fantastic. Current PT changes were pushed by Hegseth. Not sure current CSAF had much say in the matter. Otherwise he’s been pretty decent, better than Allvin and CQ for sure.

You said it yourself, we're strapped for cash - Probably had to pay by the letter.

Deon coming home

Miami wins again but our defense is not that good...I have a bad feeling about next week. Miami soundly beats Clemson, FSU plays Miami to the wire, Clemson crushes FSU. Apparently they flew a banner over the stadium during before the game calling for the firing of Norvell. @M2 What is up with UF....they play lights out one week then look like a high school team the next? Your team has talent and a good coach. Ohio State is one dimensional without their starting QB. A lot of two loss SEC teams and Kentucky is standing at #2 in the conference. Crazy times.

Happy Halloween

Breaking News: He hired all of them to be secretaries under him. Sorry Biff

Don't sell it short, the last student sortie in the Tweet was 2009.

T-37: 1954 - 2005 T-6: 2005 - ...wait, what? Are you shitting me?

The ring. And yea, I just heard at todays intel brief we can wear the ring in the vault. And I haven't heard anything official about it being a substitute for the PT test.