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The what about-ism's gotta stop for the republican party. Admit your fuckup, fire/don't fire and move on. Republicans aren't going to 'win' over mainstream media regardless. They will lose some voters who came over for a change. I love the policies (mostly) so far. This is a massive own goal. Move on. As someone said up higher, we could have told the Houthi's everything and it would have had zero effect on their response.

It would be refreshing to see them say 'we fucked up, shouldn't have happened. Here is what we're doing to prevent it in the future'. The flip flopping of all these admins suddenly caring about security when it suits their side is nauseating.

I hear you brother and there is blame to share but LM does NOT deserve all the blame. As noted, requirements creep and an unrelenting desire to purchase a single airframe for all services that forced multiple comprises, usually without coordination within the service let alone with other services. As an example I was in the five sided funny palace when they discovered the F-35 datalink was incompatible with the F-22 datalink...YGBSM...built by the same company! And for the record, that company tried repeatedly to tell the government it was an issue but got the hand waive from DoD until suddenly it was a crisis. Fat Amy will always get a bad name but behind the green door she is a bad bitch in her mission area. Post merge she is the chick you don't want your friends to see you with, especially when the bar closes and the lights come on. Behind closed doors and pre-merge she will rock your world (sts) like a MILF nymphomaniac who spent time in Thailand. I truly hope everyone continues to underestimate her. For all her incredible capabilities on the classified side, they made huge sacrifices to make a VTOL version. They made even more sacrifices to get the naval variant on the boat while meeting the range requirements...as a result it doesn't even have a gun...didn't we learn that less 50 years ago in Vietnam? Many of the issues are software related and driven by DoD that does not understand AGILE software development. The history of the sausage making behind the scenes is boring yet maddening, the government made it SOOO much harder (sts). Similarly look at the V-22...the Marines ran the program and controlled all the key design and performance requirements which led to many of today's issues. As an example, the rotor disc is not aerodynamically optimized, the diameter should be about 20% larger but it would not fit on the boat so out of the gate a huge sacrifice in performance that impacted every service that flies it. I am certainly not a test pilot but have been told the performance issues like Vortex Ring State are made worse by the reduced optimization of the rotor diameter. All is not doom and gloom, especially with Fat Amy. In reality in most circumstances if a peer or near peer gets to the merge with an F-35....even if the F-35 is flown by a mediocre pilot, something went very wrong. Not saying things don't go wrong, but she is not incapable.

I can normally be found hunting ancient artifacts like Indiana Jones....or maybe hanging out with Lara Croft? I do use WeChat during my Shanghai and Guangzhou layovers, so maybe that makes me a CCP associate.

Much of this is self-induced by absurd over-classification. I did a TSP and everyone was told the location was classified. Finance accidentally typed the location into our travel orders and that resulted in their network being isolated for a day while comm went through and did whatever they do to fix that. Obviously finance was even less useful than normal during that time. We were told that we could tell our wives where we were going once we arrived in country. Meanwhile, the local national travel agents on base with zero clearance for anything booked ADVON on commercial flights and emailed us our tickets to the 'classified' location. Then we arrived to a reception of a dozen host country reporters to cover our arrival who had been told a month prior. We had to jump through all sorts of hoops pretending the location was a secret, but everyone knew where we were going and there was no real reason for it to be secret in the first place. Things like this make people desensitized to classified.

Wait... is this an elusive "Hacker spotting"?!?! Kind of like seeing Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster! Or did Chang hack Hacker's account??

Covid lab leak Russia collusion Hunter laptop etc, etc, etc Perhaps there's reason to be skeptical

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I’ll be as clear as I can. I would absolutely be held to a different standard than leadership. Dick Cheney had evidence manufactured to justify starting Iraq War two, killing hundreds of thousands of people; no consequence. James Clapper lied to the Senate about NSA spying on American citizens; no consequence Drone strike after Abbey gate deaths during Afghan withdrawal, family of 10 murdered; no consequence For those in charge it is, and always will be, rules for thee, not me Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The doubling down on nothing being classified is insane.

who could've seen this coming

Did you watch the testimony this morning? Signal was installed on their computers/phones one day one of the job by the GOVERNMENT. I am certain that came with usage restrictions but still! From an intel perspective the material was not classified, but they drew two very fine distinctions: 1. They CIA/FBI/DNI were not the arbitrator of DoD classified and referred questions to DoD - valid. 2. SECDEF is the declassification source for DoD material (I did not know that). In my mind a crap argument to assert SECDEF can declassify simply by sending...I hope that is not what they are going to argue. Bottomline - if the material was not classified as asserted, publish it for all to see...sunshine is the best disinfectant. If it was classified, do not publish and hold those responsible accountable. Not hard to say unless you are democrat talking about Hillary's private server and 33,000 emails.

I don't know what they did or didn't send over Signal, so couch this in terms of hypotheticals. *IF* actual plans were sent over signal, that's every bit as bad as Hilary's email server. It's sloppy as F and warrants resignations, and criminal charges. If we're gonna hang out to dry airmen who flex on whatever video game crew they play with by sending secret info, we sure as hell are gonna do the same if the SECDEF is being a sloppy MF. That said, it's very likely this is more of the same blue-haired hyperventilating ala "January 6th was a coup d'etat."

To be fair, the previous admin was never at risk of leaking any secret war plans because none were made.

Bud, this isn't that complicated. And you can't just throw quid pro quo around like it's some sort of all-covering Boogeyman. If I pay you to build me a fence, that's a quid pro quo. If instead of giving you money I decide to offer you flying lessons, that's still a quid pro quo. You don't have to like it, but the government is well within its rights to include a certain amount of charity work in exchange for a contract. As long as the law firm has the option to say no, which all the articles you're citing have plenty of examples of law firms that are refusing, then it's not extortion. Where was all the righteous indignation from these law firms when the government was requiring vendors to have a certain number of women or minorities as founders or executives? Suspiciously silent. I have every confidence that a law firm as prestigious as Weiss can survive without federal cheese. And if they can't, like so many other vendors that are about to be DOGE'd, they will adapt or die. This firm chose, voluntarily, to accept the president's offer. His quid pro quo, if you will. 😂 Of course it's not good for the country, but it's just fun watching the progressives roll around on the ground like they're on fire now that their own tactics of the last couple decades are being used against them. They got so comfortable with this one-sided game that they forgot how to lose, and the meltdown has been spectacular.

Bet it will combine all the magic of the T-7, 737, kc-46 and rocket programs they've been rocking.

Yea super immature. Can't imagine anyone in that chat needed that info. Curious what happens. Democrats will clearly demand firing, but they didn't when last SECDEF botched AFG and was literally AWOL for days so R's will focus on the hypocrisy. So maybe those positions are beyond accountability but I hope Pete gets fired. If he had owned it I might have a different opinion but he also lied when questioned by the press so credibility shot.

Denying it while knowing full well the journalist has the receipts might be the wildest part. Like how do your teams not come up with a better damage control strategy

It means that, unlike with ATF and JSF and every previous fighter acquisition program of the last 50 years, the AF claims to have internally designed much of the basic capabilities, and then only brought in Boeing and LM (and Northrop?) after -- reportedly years after --- to fully flesh out what they've done internally into an actual production aircraft. So, the opposite of putting out an RFP and having manufacturers design their own attempts to meet the requirements in the RFP. To wit: https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/

that's a lot of questions bro, I'll try to engage: Your screenshots are real, and principals have said so. However those screenshots do not show any secret war plans and I see nothing inappropriate about them (other than the bone headed move to add the wrong person). The troubling claim is that within the same text chain secret information on operational details was shared, but the journalist was too patriotic to release that info. Instead we should trust him, and the principals should resign. DNI refuted that assertion under oath today, and the journalist himself has a history of pushing debunked Russian collusion claims in the past. If proof exists that these principals were discussing secret operational details on an unclassified system, fire them at a minimum. I think that covers the gist of your questions without answering each one line by line. curious what is meant by "secret war plans" considering the journalist making the claim has never seen secret war plans. I have, and I've seen unclass principal level discussion of messaging sync after tactical strikes. The legal distinction making something secret is if release could reasonably be suspected to cause damage to national security. So, let's see it then decide.

I am guessing Hegseth used Signal as part of his former gig at Foxnews which would explain the links to journalists. Also, Signal very popular in the SOF community...there is a whole Signal subculture. Sending it to the wrong person is not the issue, sending classified plans on a non-approved network is the issue. And if he did it he should be punished. Legally Comey help set the precedent that it not a big deal when we all know it is. It took intent from both Hegseth and Clinton to put that material on an unclassified network. 33,000 Hillary Emails had to be transferred off a classified network and copied onto an unclassified server, I never understood how Comey didn't see that as deliberate and with intent. I am very curious how Hegseth's deal plays out...again if the details are correct (to include weapons loads), then it was a deliberate effort to take material off and unclass network (pictures or digitally copied), and put it on Signal...or did he type a note with the details...either way UNSAT, no excuses, time to be held accountable.

ilhan omar tomorrow

5 years from now on BO… ”Who had 30 billion over budget and no planes yet built?”

WICKR (the CUI app) is more cumbersome than Signal/Whatsapp but not overwhelmingly so; it’s better than it was a couple years ago. If a tech retarded guy like me can make it work anyone can. The SIPR options aren’t hard. I had access to them as a peon O-5 staffer (on a little j staff). I’m sure at the NCA level they’ve got some pretty gucci shit. It’s just in this case, for whatever reason, people chose not to use them. I don’t disagree with your point about people becoming complacent when handling classified. Unfortunately it seems the higher in rank/position some people get they feel the rules don’t apply to them. Anecdote: I once had a boss who we were fairly certain tunneled into an SVTC in the middle of an international airport with a jacket thrown over his head and the laptop.

So far the only screen shots I've seen are solidly in the policy debate sphere and would hardly be considered classified. Sloppy, but hardly worth the attention it has received. If a "journalist" that clearly hates Trump and everything he does was really sent actual war plans (not debates), there is zero chance that he wouldn't have taken screen shots of all of it, let alone the most damaging sections. If someone has reputable sources of actual plans being shared, I'd be interested. Until then, I'll consider this simply the continued ravings of a person infected with TDS posing as a journalist.

Just got an email from AFPC. Going to Columbus RNLTD 5 May! SV8IPT CO 26-10

This forum!

How can anyone have any faith in the system after the last decade + of gross mismanagement. My projection...tons of money spent, not many aircraft, and a less lethal AF. It's already here in a lot of ways.

Boeing got the NGAD contract before we got GTA 6 smh.

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Finally... I had on my CDB my MFS date for 17 Apr I did the EFMP (thanks bpep887!!) and found out I am team Columbus! Received a call from my CC; told me that my RNLT is 5 May, still no training RIP 😄

Stop trying to make WICKR happen! I'll never log into Teams!

^^^^ the corporate partner. I kid, I kid CH.

I think if it was gross negligence, then yes, someone should be fired…and if it’s Waltz, then so be it. But let’s not pretend the Democrats suddenly care about this security stuff. Two things can be true at the same time.

Popped up on my loosing roster 05 MAY RNLT, VANCE AFB

What level are ATOs? You know that timing and location would be classified prior to execution of an attack. Additionally, in the Atlantic article, the editor clearly censored multiple texts. Also, did you “see” any of Hillary’s screenshots? You have to understand you are entirely falling into a double standard because of political affiliation.

The Author is at best an isolationist attempting to hide behind a facade of budgetary justification and frame the argument that US Forces Korea exist behind glass separate of any other conflict or use. The author’s idea that the Army is not present in an IndoPacom fight is demonstrated ignorance of not understanding what that fight will actually look like or what previous historical fights in the Pacific were either. No, there will not be a Tank Division driving across open plains to achieve some sort of armored breakthrough, however the Fires and with it wide area security/control as well as the echelons of intel collection that occur resident to those Army formations will absolutely be at play in a conflict over the 1st Island Chain. And anybody that doesn’t think large scale ground maneuver warfare happened in the Pacific should really go take a look at WWII Burma or Luzon. The Marines will get the press but the reality is the Army will be the one that secures Islands because mass means something when you talk the scale of the pacific, and keeping those elements in 2ID that far forward grants a lot of reaction space and time made up. Same was true of WWII. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Some of you younger folks may not remember that the F-18, and the C-17 were criticized as boondoggles and worthless jobs programs. Every weapons system has some teething problems, let’s Hope Boeing minimizes them this time around.

Got to see the race in Baku last September. Hope to be able to catch another one this season. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

If 90% of the fleet never gets off the ground from CONUS, China can’t shoot them down. It’s a feature.

Don’t give them ideas

I knew that was coming. Keep digging. Do you see the difference between buying a product and then doing whatever you want with YOUR property and not affecting other peoples property? You don't have to do what you're doing. You can just say "man, I sure do hate what Elon's doing and hope his companies go under and that he suffers a horrible death. Also, fucking with property that isn't yours is fucked up and shouldn't be tolerated." I actually did buy the dip, thanks for asking. Cyber truck is a bit much but I did take a gander at the used tesla market. Saw lots of older models but very few 2022 and newer.

AD selects typically get filled faster than others because of the timeline and other things like potential promotions. But they don't have everything set up that far in advance. One the Board rack and stacks, it's up to AFPC to certify the results, get the amount of selects, and then get releases from the CFMs. Then they can release the results and start working with other parts of AFPC and AETA for PCS and class dates. It's a whole dance that we probably don't give them enough credit for.

Yeah, I too remember the days when Budweiser factories were razed and their trucks full of sweet barley water were vandalized and destroyed :).

69% of this forum is people talking to themselves on different accounts.