Scooter14

https://www.edwards.af.mil/Portals/50/documents/AFD-131008-020.pdf?ver In my humble opinion, if you get accepted to Test Pilot School as a pilot you can log every airplane you flew there because…it’s Test Pilot School.

Same team Farva, same team… I know of two people here locally who have had Covid and have had their antibodies tested a bunch of times (because they are donating plasma) and their antibody levels are high enough even months after recovering that they can still use their plasma to treat patients. Im definitely NOT saying that if you think you’ve had Covid go ahead and call yourself good. Im also NOT talking about getting Covid again because we all know anyone can get Covid…vaxxed, unvaxxed, previously infected…it’s the level of severity and mortality that we are trying to tamp down right? What I’m saying is that there should be a way to determine the antibody levels of a previously infected person compared to a vaccinated person. Antibody Levels will likely vary from person to person but I do agree with my aforementioned airline pilots argument that, if his antibody levels exceed those of vaccinated people, why make him take the shot? What is the end goal? If it’s to make sure you have antibodies against the virus he has met that goal. Will the virus derived antibodies wear off? Sure. Will the vaccine wear off? Sure. Is there a rate in which that occurs? I don’t know.

I agree and this is where I have the issue as well. Simply stated…What does the vaccine do? The vaccine makes your body produce antibodies that will help you fight the virus if you are exposed. What happens when you get COVID and recover? The virus makes your body produce antibodies that will help you fight the virus if you are exposed. If you have never had Covid, I would encourage you to consider getting vaccinated for all the reasons Pawnman stated. If you have had Covid I believe there should be some sort of antibody test you can take to opt out if you desire. It’s a simple concept, I don’t know why it’s not a provision. My buddy at an airline recently flew with a guy who will likely lose his job because he will not get vaccinated. However, this individual has already had Covid. If his antibody levels (or whatever they measure) are the same or better as someone who’s had the vaccine…then they are going to lose a pilot for no reason other than an arbitrary mandate that lacks any common sense or critical thought. That’s all, i have to go back to tending livestock in my backyard farm. Stupid FDA…

Wow.

This. Put the books away on Friday evening and don’t open them until Sunday. Your family and your sanity will thank you.

Allow me to help you translate since you’re struggling a bit here with the mastery of the mobility language… Refugees ≠ Americans. Reread his original post. HeyEng said “refugees”. You keep saying “Americans”. At any rate the Moose crews are going full tilt, timing out will be a thing especially if we have to use those jets more than we need to. How many mil resources do you want to tie up when you could activate part of the CRAF and keep the mil mobility machine going and increase capacity? Activating the CRAF means that TRANSCOM sees this mission as so important that they can use more gray tails to get people out of Afghanistan and keep moving people out of the AOR on civilian aircraft by trans loading at lower threat (intermediary as HeyEng said) airfields.

It’s almost like the ATO is classified for a reason.

Who? The Uighurs...yeah don’t worry about them...TTYL!

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This is the catch 22 right here. You can’t stifle free speech or freedom of the “press” but the more misinformation and misleading clickbait headlines that come through the handheld devices that every idiot is glued to, the worse things get. You know the Chinese and Russians are laughing their asses off.

I eat breakfast 300 yards from 4000 corpsman who are trained to vaccinate me.

Except it’s from a bullshit fake news site so there’s that. The sad thing is that people will read that website and believe every word. It almost trapped Tank.

Big Fabric is the devil.

It’s a roll of the dice either way right? The average person has no ill effects from the vaccine as well. But how do you know you’re not gonna get the ventilator or the kidney failure? Same way you really don’t know if you’ll get blood clots from the jab. So you research, use critical thinking, numbers and data. Which risk do you consider to be higher. I personally think there will likely be long term health problems (lung, heart, neurological, circulatory issues) for those who have been hospitalized with COVID. We are already seeing “long haulers” and folks who survive and are strapped to an O2 tank. I think that the vaccine (as it should) shows your immune system what to expect so you can fight COVID without the potential of being overrun. A sneak preview if you will. That’s how I ran my ORM sheet. YMMV. This whole thread reminds me of a time where I was in Moron. We had a -135 and a spare -135 with engines running to meet up with a Coronet moving west. Thunderstorms were moving in, they were outside of 5 miles but all around the field. The primary taxied out (new AC at the helm) checked the radar, didn’t feel comfortable, called in and said he was a Wx cnx. The spare (a more seasoned crew) took a sweep with the radar, saw a hole, called and said I think we can go, we see a way to get it done. So they went. Each crew called upon their knowledge, research of the situation, comfort level and made a decision. Is there a wrong answer? Maybe if the jet that went got struck by lightning then yeah. Maybe if it was an OIR mission with troops in contact and they cancelled with no GAR, sure. Nobody questioned either crew and their decisions were exactly 180 out from each other. So is there a wrong answer here? Maybe if you throw a blood clot or have some reaction to the jab. Maybe if you are belly up with 80% o2 or on dialysis for the rest of your days or you lose your Class 1 because you have brain fog. Maybe you get the shot and you’re fine. Maybe you get COVID and you’re fine and now you have better antibodies than the shot can provide. To each their own I guess.

I don’t know why this is so difficult for some to comprehend. People are really stuck on “it only kills old people” and 0.000069% death rates. I think it’s prudent to consider what having a pipe jammed down your throat whilst being in a medically induced coma for 2+ weeks or multiple organ failure due to a lack of O2 would be like.

M2 you beat me to that Mike Rowe post. Once again he shacks it.

This. I actually hate early wake ups. I live in base and I hate morning traffic. I’d much rather get up, work out, pack up and head out. So, instead of trying to upgrade to different equipment, I stayed on the one that got me better seniority albeit with lower pay. The destinations aren’t flashy, but since I’m fairly new at it, the novelty hasn’t worn off. I’m senior enough to hold weekends off, get the showtimes I want, get the layovers I want. My expectations are low so when I do get what I put in for I’m happy. Like SocialD said, if you don’t get caught up in the rat race, you actually kind of feel better since your sleep is not all over the map. But, if you want that new boat there’s plenty of flying to be had around the clock.

Valid point, I appreciate the numbers associated with your point as well. It’s definitely not black and white.

Let’s see if actual reported numbers support your claim. ROK has 51M people. According to this, there have been 200k cases and 2100 have died. Japan has 126M people and according to this, there have been 972k cases and 15,246 have died. The good ol USofA has 328M people, 35.2 Million cases and 615k have died. Now, do they wear masks? Yes. Do the masks slow the spread? Possibly. The data seems to support it. Have they been exposed to other coronaviruses that may have helped their immune system...kind of like how smallpox just lived amongst the Europeans but annihilated the indigenous North American people? Also a possibility. Do they count COVID deaths differently? Again, also a possibility. We’ve all heard the anecdotes of the guy in the US who fell off a ladder and died of COVID because they tested positive. Maybe the ROK has a different criteria. That number does seem low but even if you triple their death rate it pales in comparison to ours. Does the RoK government make non-SOFA personnel install a tracking app on their phone to make sure you quarantine on arrival? Yes...yes they do. I’m not saying masks are the end all be all answer. I can’t stand wearing mine and we all just went back to it in my little corner of the ANG. But, if you look at these easily accessible data points it helps. People should look at numbers more and headlines less. It may take the emotion out of it. That and maybe one of these...

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article252953008.html It’s not just old people right now. People seem to be clinging to the “I’m young, I don’t have to worry.” Bottom line, people our age (30-50 demographic) that aren’t vaccinated are getting really sick. Do what you like with the data, but that’s what’s happening in places that have low vaccination rates like MO, AL, FL...

...and others think the government’s purpose is to protect its interests. Which is why I think it’s interesting that people think that a government that’s looking out for its own best interests would knowingly risk the readiness of their standing army if they knew the vaccine was flawed or harmful in some way. But...we did put people on boats to stare at nuclear explosions 70 years ago so what do I know. BTW, I got both shots, I feel fine.

https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/learn-to-fly/old-pages/legacy-pages/aviation-subject-report-logging-pilot-in-command-pic-time

How severe was your case of Covid? How severe are the cases that the doctor is seeing in vaccinated people? if all of the people that got the vaccine and then got Covid or able to fight it off without ending up in the hospital I think that is a win for the vaccinated crowd.

One of the reasons I love coming here is the different perspectives I get to see that I don’t otherwise get to experience. For example, from SocialD’s post...PR grounded for wx. As a tanker guy I don’t think anyone would even think to ask that question. If the wx sucks in country, they just launch the tankers “just in case”. Plenty of times I’ve flown above hard IMC below me for literally hours, no receivers, just turning gas into noise. We have a problem, we head home on most of our four engines. If it’s catastrophic, there isn’t a PR force in the world that can help us. Looking at Danger’s situation through my lens is somewhat different than SocialD’s lens. It’s interesting to see what goes into everyone’s calculus.