BCan

Poor wording. My POV was from big AF. Better wording: Why would the AF want to figure out how they involuntarily recall retired folk when they could start by simply closing the doors. If 1000 retired dudes wanted these jobs....sure that would work. The fact is, the AF is going to be lucky to get 10 volunteers ...and they know it...and that's the reason you got zero info on your phone investigation. Smoke and mirrors...

I agree this is setting the stage for something larger. Reminds me of when the demo teams got cnx'd - what followed was grounding entire squadrons. I don't see why you'd want to bring back retired dudes...I think the end game is a stop-loss. It would be difficult to set a policy of who got recalled out of the retired crowd. It be far easier to just close the door. Just my .02

I'm a bit confused how you go straight to retired dudes when you can start to tag those who are at the end of UPT commitments and dudes who haven't applied to retire, and dudes who have retirement orders but haven't gotten out of the burning building yet.

It will only improve the bottom line for a small time period. Then the airlines will start cutting ticket prices to capture market share - standard. So the real benefit is reduced airfare/shipping costs. How much extra is an airline ticket with two pilots up front? Honest question...my rough math is about 30ish dollars a ticket...for salary. I too usually choose the cheapest airfare, but this is one situation I'd pony up the extra cash. The larger question is economic. You've got to have people with jobs (or govt provided income - whole other discussion) to by airline tickets, cars, etc. If we do get to AI/automation as being discussed, it's going to be the political / societal issue of our lifetime IMO. Just read an article that Elon Musk foresees humanless factories...will not even require factory floor lighting. We think income inequality is an issue now... I've also heard little discussion on the bandwidth & infrastructure required. I've heard zero discussion on vulnerabilities associated. I'd think technologically advanced countries would certainly be interested in how the entire aviation system is controlled from ground / space assets. I think most would agree that using our current UASs as a yardstick for what is feesable for airline travel is a rather poor comparison. I'll reference the 6-9 emails I get yearly requesting my participation in class A UAS mishaps.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/10/us/us-air-force-pilot-shortage/ https://video.foxnews.com/v/5079490464001/air-force-facing-massive-fighter-pilot-shortage/?#sp=show-clips https://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2016/07/18/air-force-leaders-plan-incentives-fix-fighter-pilot-shortage/87245740/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/08/10/the-air-force-fighter-pilot-shortage-is-already-a-crisis-and-it-could-soon-get-even-worse/ https://www.wnd.com/2016/08/crisis-usaf-warns-of-fighter-pilot-shortage/

Dude...think this through very carefully. you are entering into a 10yr commitment - essentially giving the AF the power to do as they please with you for 12 years. So, if "just the thought of going to reapers" gives you pause...you might be on to something by second guessing your decision. What were you doing 12 years ago? Secondly, you think you are entering your dream job - but think this through logically. Why the 10 year commitment? Why does the AF offer a pilot bonus of up to 225K...and why are the majority of pilots not taking it? Why would we be talking about stop-loss? i'm not saying you should / shouldn't proceed to active duty. What I would say, is if flying is all you seek - then you are bat-shit crazy for not looking at the guard/reserve. Disclaimer - I've been active duty my entire career. If, however, you abuse yourself nightly to a candle lit scroll of the airmanship creed ...then maybe you are the next General Changer and will love active duty. good luck!

Am I the only one who sees "stop-loss" as blowing up the the AFs face? First off, stop-loss isn't a tool used to fix personnel mismanagement. If we are in a declared war with damn near every squadron deployed...ok, I get it in that situation. Second, if the AF attempts to give guys/gals the heisman after a 11-12 year commitment, or prevents their retirement - then I see all out rebellion, to include a class-action lawsuit. Third, is it even legal? Anyone smart on how this would work (I.e. What is your IRR commitment after the UPT ADSC?). Has this ever been used in the past in this situation?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R40121.pdf I'd say a good set of lawyers could pick-apart this law when utilized to retain CONUS based UAS operators...but then again...I'm not a lawyer. The link is an interesting read on how the stop-loss program unfolded since DS1.

I don't see how the AF is going to get away with this...you guys need to band together and fight this shit in the court / public domain (if it is true). It is one thing to stop-loss in-order to fight a ground war...it is another to use it as a tool to correct your shitty personnel system, to add additional commitments to guys/gals who have already served lengthy commitments. And what war are they implementing this for? Congress hasn't declared war? If this logic holds up, then we can just get rid of any bonus's, ADSCs, just use stop-loss? I'd round up the bros, get a lawyer(s), talk to JQP...and FENCE-IN...

Tell them you'd like to switch over to the T-38 for other reasons? Job as red air, bomber base IP, etc down the road. Then, get the ADSC removed after you PCS. Just a thought.

For future bros ref...good stuff here regarding 3/7 day opt....sorry I didn't find it earlier.

Hoss, read'em. to include the note that the chart is just for reference...WTF? It is disheartening that I'm forced to make decisions based on how I interpret AFIs that other people should be SMEs. I'm guessing the assignment/retirement AFI writers must sit right next to the ROE writers. FML.

Hacker, I'm in the opposite boat...I'm 99% sure I don't want to take another assignment...unless hookers and blow are included. However, some are telling me I cannot apply for retirement outside of 1-year, some are telling me I can be PCS'd immediately following a 365...with 18 months left till retirement. Lot's of people involved in the assignment and retirement process and most of them do not understand how the two interact.

Learjetter, you touched on another topic I'm getting conflicting info...when/how I apply for retirement. I understand, typically it is 1-year. However, if I have orders dropped for a conus assignment, 2-year ADSC right?, then I can turn down the assignment?, apply for retirement?, even if outside of 1-year? It was my impression, that once I'm inside of 2-years, I have options to get out of a conus / oconus assignment based on those assignements ADSCs. My gameplan was to take a 365, return home inside of 2-years, then decline any assignment. Now that I'm working with AFPC to line up the 365, I'm not getting any confirmation that this plan is solid. I have heard rumors that a 365 gets you a 24-month deferment from assignments once you return...but I haven't seen that in writing anywhere either. Thanks again.

Thanks guys. By my math it would cost me about 220 dollars per month to forgo the last year. I just want to understand what I'm losing...sounds like it might not be a ridiculous amount vs. what I have lined up for a follow-on career and/or avoiding another move on the kids. Thanks Again.