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Well, 2016 0-5 LAF stats are out. It looks like the overall promotion rate for all zones combined was slightly lower than last year (although the IPZ promotion rate was a little higher this year than last). Most unique data point of them all IMO; one 'P' BPZ from 3096 'P' BPZs who got promoted, while also beating out 268 'DP' BPZs who didn't get the nod for 0-5. 2016 LAF LTC.xlsx

Devote? Try again, like side note. Oh wait, I already said that.

Last year's IPZ promotion rate to 0-5 was 72% so if the above numbers are correct, this year's IPZ promotion percentage is slightly higher than last year's but due to a smaller pool, obviously less folks got picked up. Last year's APZ percentage promotion rate was 5.6% but without knowing the total number of APZ eligibles for this board (62 of 1114 were picked up last year), the promotion percentage rate for APZ is anyone's guess.

One thing I forgot to add was that although my SR is a 3-star, not all of our IPZers have the same SR as I do (i.e., they fell under 2-letter orgs with their own delegated SRs).

Negative...got shoehorned into a staff job (my SR is a 3-star)

Same circumstance like you brother...got a 'P' from my 3-star and got the nod for 0-5. One thing is for certain...I am looking forward to seeing the 'P' promotion rate when the AF stats come out. Side note: One of the lousiest bosses I ever had didn't make 0-5 but is still in as a Maj and close to 20...would be weird, yet satisfying, if I ever become that person's boss. Then again, I wouldn't want that lousy individual assigned me.

Do you have the BPZ numbers? Also, is the list out somewhere already? I thought the promotion list would be released tomorrow. On a side note, I asked my CO how many of our org's (pretty large one) IPZers got promoted and he told me, "all of them"! I asked him twice to make sure he didn't misunderstand my question but he said the same thing, "all of them". I was running late for a meeting so I didn't have time to get more info on how many IPZers there were overall. Aside from myself, I know of two other IPZers who got the thumbs up for 0-5, with two of us (like me) making it with a 'P'. I know we have a few more IPZers in our org but I still can't believe all of us got selected! Fridays are a little slower in my unit than the rest of the week so I plan on going to my personnel folks and getting the total IPZ promotion numbers straight from the horses' mouths because I still can't believe our org had a perfect IPZ promotion rate.

Very interesting...I wonder how many of those 13 were sitting in joint billets.

Surprising to see all the doom and gloom thus far despite the projected "84%" promotion opportunity overall. It should be interesting to see how each MAJCOM did when they finally release the promotion stats.

Finally got mine...my unit was initially going to make me wait until tomorrow but by then it would basically be a moot point. One of my buddies didn't make it though...their org was under 60% overall. Any similar or worse rates for other units out there?

So has anyone been told of their results? I don't think anyone at my base got informed yet.

Already told others? I figured CCs would wait at least until Wednesday. It's almost cruel to tell people two days before the "official" release day knowing that the selects may have to restrain themselves for a little while from saying too much to their peers. Well, best of luck to all!

I didn't check on CY16 CB boards for twice passed over LAF Captains but it is also on MyPers. If I had to guess though, don't expect an easy way out this year.

So, not to go off topic but a buddy brought this up to my attention so figured I'd share in case folks aren't aware of it. I only included part of the continuation board announcement (the rest is on myPers) but it looks like the AF will be rubber stamping continuations for this year. However, what struck me is the lengthy list of AFSCs that are apparently now "critical skills" for the AF. I guess every skill is "critical" after the 2014 RIF losses? I was also a bit skeptical about the 84% promotion opportunity for the CY16 0-5 board but this CB guidance practically validates that high opportunity percentage IMO. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "CY16B Major (LAF/MSC/BSC) and Captain (BSC) Selective Continuation Boards Applicable to: Active Duty Eligibility LAF majors on the Air Force Active Duty list who fail selection to lieutenant colonel two or more times, including those who are retirement eligible under Title 10, U.S.C., Section 8911, or within two years of qualifying for retirement under Section 8911, and who are within the following critical skills: Pilots (11X); Bomber Combat Systems Officers (12B); Fighter Combat Systems Officers (12F); Rescue Combat Systems Officers (12H); Special Operations Combat Systems Officers (12S); Remotely Piloted Aircraft Pilots (12U, 13U, 18X); Air Liaison Officers (13L); Nuclear and Missile Operation Officers (13N); Space Operations Officers (13S); Intelligence Officers (14N); Cyber Warfare Operations Officers and Network Operations Officers (17X); Aircraft Maintenance Officers (21A); Munitions and Missile Maintenance Officers (21M); Logistics Readiness Officers (21R); Security Forces Officers (31P); Civil Engineer Officers (32E); Public Affairs Officers (35P); Operations Research Analyst Officers (61A); Physicist/Nuclear Engineer Officers (61D); Acquisition Manager Officers (63A); Contracting Officers (64P); Financial Management Officers (65F) as orf the 1st day of the 7th month after Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness (PDUSD {P&R}) approves results of the CY16B Lieutenant Colonel LAF, MSC, and BSC Central Selection Boards. Length of Continuation Period Unless sooner retired or discharged under another provision of law, each eligible captain or major selected for continuation will be continued until such time as the officer qualifies for retirement under Section 8911, or age 62, whichever is earlier, with the exception of those LAF majors in a critical skill listed above. Each eligible LAF major, within a critical skill listed above, selected for continuation will be continued until they reach 24 years of Total Active Federal Commissioned Service (TAFCS)."

LJ, ask the SR what...if I am right not to get excited about the PRF bottom line? I'm not going to waste time doing that. However, if I'm going to get on the SR's schedule to chat about my PRF, it's because I want to know what the weaknesses and strengths in my records were that led to my strat, not ask whether or not I think my PRF is something to get excited about.

There were 2 DPs available for the BPZs if that muddies the water more.

Ho Lee, I don't know the exact breakout of the zones but what I was told was the he was only given one DP for his IPZs (exclusive of any he may have gotten at the MLR), which is what threw me off the most. I don't know if he was even able to get another DP at the MLR for his "#2" IPZ but yes, I do agree the strat was a little nebulous, which is where my confusion comes from. My guess is he had very few IPZs and a good chunk of BPZs/APZs if he was only given one IPZ DP to begin with. Anyways, I appreciate the inputs.

DI: Yes, I'm IPZ this year. Thanks for the inputs.

Okay, so I know asking a question like this is like asking a car mechanic to tell me if I should/shouldn't be concerned about my car without letting the mechanic inspect the car (i.e., my records). However, I figure there's no harm in asking my question anyways. So, I got my PRF (for the upcoming 0-5 board) and I didn't get a 'DP' in the box (got a 'P' in the box instead) but my 0-9 gave me a "#3/36 I/A/BPZ" 0-4s strat. I have a good pile of "#1" strats/awards reflected in my OPRs (and in my PRF) but no overall FGO quarterly/annual awards (I don't volunteer for anything (e.g. community service) and just get stuff done). I was told my record did go to the MLR but apparently didn't have enough stuff to earn a 'DP' in the box. I have heard from others that I should be "thrilled" with such a PRF bottom line but I have mixed feelings. I know a #3/36 0-4s sounds encouraging but since I didn't get the 'DP' in the box checked, am I right not to get excited about the PRF bottom line? For anyone who has sat on a board, I'd definitely appreciate your thoughts but all inputs are welcome.

With all the blown suspenses the AF has produced with these FM programs, I'm not sure what to make of the dates a functional sent out last week but looks like SRs will more than likely be passing out the pink slips next week for those still awaiting their fate (unless of course there's another "strategic pause"). · 19 Nov 14 - Reduction in Force (RIF) Results (Public Release) · 21 Nov 14 - IDE/SDE Designation Board Results (Public Release) I did talk to my FSS POC (0-3) and he confirmed he received an email (that he couldn't pass to me) that next week was when SRs were supposedly going to find out who in their org are getting the boot and who aren't. However, he said the email didn't have a 19 Nov date in it. I imagine though that Big Blue would rather pass the pink slips this coming week rather than Thanksgiving week because I'm sure plenty of folks will probably be out a good chunk of Turkey week..

Assuming the RIF board meets in Oct, and if (a big IF) the timelines remain consistent with the artist formerly known as PSDM 13-130, then it looks like the pink slips from the RIF boards will arrive just in time for X-mas to go with a DOS sometime in Apr. I'll take a Pepsi challenge that the pink slip notifications get pushed back to Jan with a DOS NLT May because the board results will get delayed.

Interesting article from AF times today: "22,500 face cuts this year Security forces hardest hit Feb. 3, 2014 - 02:34PM The Air Force is planning to cut roughly 22,500 airmen this year alone through its massive force management programs. According to internal documents the Air Force provided at Air Force Times’ request, 18,336 enlisted airmen and 4,166 officers are in career fields that are overmanned and will be cut through voluntary or involuntary measures. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh has repeatedly said that the steep budget cuts known as the sequester would force the service to cut up to 25,000 airmen over the next five years. But the new charts are the first indication that the bulk of those cuts will come this year. In a Jan. 30 interview, Chief Master Sgt. Stephen White, the enlisted career field manager for security forces, confirmed that the identified cuts are planned to come in fiscal 2014. “The Air Force is looking at making the cuts all at once,” White said. “Why do this to people every year? It’s painful, but we go through the major set of cuts this year, and airmen don’t have to worry about next year and next year.” Enlisted security forces airmen could be hit hardest out of all career fields. The chart on the involuntary enlisted retention boards identifies 3,992 senior airmen, staff sergeants, technical sergeants and master sergeants in that career field — 15 percent of the total 26,216 security forces airmen — that are overmanned and likely to be cut. And in two charts on officer reduction-in-force and force shaping boards, 130 security forces officers are also identified as being overmanned and slated for cuts. In a Jan. 24 Facebook post, Brig. Gen. Allen Jamerson, the director of security forces, said that the quality force reduction board cuts could drive enlisted cuts up to 5,000. “These will be stressful times and there is not much I can say that will make any of this better,” Jamerson said. “I’m concerned for two reasons: first, this means many of you will not be able to serve much longer, and it means a significant change in the way we protect our people and AF assets. [Today is a] tough day across the Air Force.” Already stretched However, White said security forces officials have been talking to Welsh and other top Air Force officials about what cuts of that magnitude could mean for the service’s security. He expects the enlisted security forces cuts will be revised down to about 2,500. White did not know if the officer cuts would be revised. Cuts of 4,000 to 5,000 security forces would have serious effects, White said. Roughly 2,500 security forces airmen are deployed around the world at any given time, he said, and reducing their ranks is not an option. Some missions, such as guarding nuclear weapons facilities, also cannot be cut, White said. That means the security forces cuts would fall on other Air Force bases and installations around the United States, which would see considerable reductions in their security. That could mean reducing the number of law enforcement patrols, White said. The Air Force could also be forced to rely more on local law enforcement, White said. Many bases now have memorandums of understanding with local sheriff’s departments or police departments to provide law enforcement on off-base housing, for example. The Air Force could have to renegotiate those agreements to receive more support. White said that security forces are already stretched when groups of airmen transition to and from deployments. There is some overlap when a new group of security forces airmen deploy, and then the returning airmen require a few weeks off to rest and reconnect with their families. Those periods already put considerable strain on security forces, and the significant reductions that are in the works will worsen matters, he said. Other hard-hit fields It’s not just security forces facing significant cuts. The charts identify 172 enlisted career fields and 32 officer fields that have at least some overmanning that will be cut. In the materiel management career field, 490 airmen — almost 8 percent of its total force — are slated to be cut. The pavements and construction equipment field will lose 420 airmen, or 21 percent of its total force. The RF transmission spectrum career field will lose 616 airmen, or almost 17 percent. And 689 aircraft armament systems airmen — 10 percent of its force — will be cut, as will 520 munitions system airmen, or 8 percent. And 15 percent of the fuels career field, or 528 enlisted airmen, will be cut. The Air Force Personnel Center said the numbers in the charts, which were dated Jan. 23, are subject to change and are updated periodically, but not weekly. AFPC also said the numbers are for general information and that airmen should get specific details from their military personnel section or AFPC, and that each airman must confirm his actual eligibility by contacting his unit leadership and military personnel section. Airmen frustrated Airmen across the service are growing angry and scared as they learn how massive and swift the cuts will be — especially some who have served multiple deployments at war. “There’s no loyalty,” said one security forces officer who asked that his name and rank not be printed. “I did three deployments, I have gone through a divorce because of how much I’ve been gone. After all that we’ve done, and given, and sacrificed, the reward is a separation paycheck?” The officer said that he and his friends are frustrated, because they don’t know if they’ll still have jobs in six months and they wish the Air Force was telling them more on what the various boards will be considering. And morale is plunging, he said. “I know on my side, everybody’s pinging off each other,” he said. “Everybody’s asking how does this affect you, what have you heard, what do you know? I feel like they’re leaving us out of the loop.” White said he understands the officer’s frustrations, but budget cuts are forcing the service to make painful decisions. “We owe it to them to ensure that we do everything we can to take care of them, as best as we can,” White said. “But with the reality of budget constraints, we have to get down to our end strength. We definitely appreciate everything they’ve done. Less than 1 percent of Americans have served, so we want to honor them. We’re trying to do the best we can.” White said he and other officials are starting to travel to bases to talk to airmen about the cuts and answer their questions. He said he spoke with about 80 airmen for three hours Jan. 28 at Dover Air Force Base, Del. “I look out on their faces, and I [see] concern,” he said. “Most of those guys and gals are young, and they started families, and now they’re worried about the future. So I get it. We’re going to Montana and other places starting next week, out on the road. Our goal here is to try to break the program down, so they can understand their options, and understand realistically how they would fare if we do have retention boards.” Voluntary cuts preferred Air Force officials have frequently said they hope to achieve most of their force cuts through voluntary measures, such as 15-year retirements, voluntary separation payments, time-in-grade and active- duty service commitment waivers, and an expanded Palace Chase program allowing airmen to serve out the rest of their careers in the Guard or Reserve. White said he thinks many senior airmen and staff sergeants in the security forces ranks are likely to take the voluntary separation measures. But he thinks the Air Force will probably have to use involuntary boards to separate enough security forces tech sergeants and master sergeants to meet its new requirements. But the prospect of facing a future outside of the Air Force scares the security forces officer. “This is the only life I’ve known,” he said."

The townhall meeting slide I saw says that the "1 time payment" gets federally taxed at 25%. This is exclusive of whatever taxes the state will take so if you're from a state with no state income taxes, you'll "only" get hit by a 25% tax payment. However, combined with state taxes, I can see it be as high as 40% so my suggestion is to temporarily apply to be a TX or FL resident if you want to minimize the hit on the VSP.

So, with ot without DRs (I know that RIF eligibles won't have DRs), how does a board judge someone who has a "1/1" in both their AFSC and year group strats from a three star senior rater? I know a few folks who are stuck in that strange boat so I'm kind of curious to hear if anyone is in a similar situation (hint: those people are in HQ staffs).

By read, I presume you mean boarded? If so, then no. They will be boarded separately so in theory, if there are enough people that get approved for VSP for a certain AFSC within say, the 01-03 year groups, that should remove that AFSC within that year group from both boards. On the other hand, if noone gets out, because ESERBS limit forced retirements to only 30% of the total ESERB eligibles, the remaining 70% of "estimated overage" bodies will have to come from the RIF boards. Of course, this is assuming that the number of total "estimated overages" needs to be 100% gone, which none of the matrices nor PSDMs say they must. The message above only says "reduced" so noone really knows unless they actually come out with new guidance that says all overages in the matrices must be zeroed out. Clear as mud?