Herk Driver

"Noted". In my experience, that single word gets across your meaning succinctly and has the underlying meaning that you are looking for. (STFU) It will normally enrage the person you are talking to, but since they can't tell if you are being a smart@ss or just trying to say that you understand, most will STFU and color. The policy letter that started this all was signed by CENTAF/CC long ago. LtGen Buchanan had a policy out that people could only wear PT gear, no more civilian clothes. He wanted everyone to wear the new USAF PT gear, but it wasn't out yet. So there were many problems over what constituted PT gear. Could the shorts have pockets or not? Could the T-shirts have logos or not? IIRC, the story, at the time. was that the SECAF had walked through Camp Andy or CC at the time and saw lots of scantily clad females walking around. He made a comment about the lack of standards with off-duty clothing. That's all it took. There was also the problem of USAF people being at forward locations with the Army and the Army trying to get USAF folks to follow Army standards with regards to this same issue. There's also the story of some female that brought 2 or 3 A-3 bags full of nothing but shoes to the desert. You know, my 2 bags, plus my 3 bags of shoes (authorized excess baggage). Who knows? I don't know which of these is the real reason, but needless to say, there was a policy letter out there that mandated PT gear or uniform for wear. Now that the USAF has its own PT gear it sure makes things a lot easier than having some jack@ss try to turn you away from the chow hall over your shorts having belt loops or pockets or some other nonsense. Although, I'm sure that the unifrom Nazi's will continue to find something to b!tch about. Oh, my bad, saluting. They have to justify the BSM that they all hope to be put in for. [ 14. October 2006, 03:55: Message edited by: Herk Driver ]

Chuck, In the case I outlined above, the CC put the shirt in charge of figuring out all the housing, out-processing, in-processing, etc. So when the Shirt put up a schedule of events it had the authority of the Sq/CC behind it. That is until the non-flyer dumbass tried to do some stupid BS like have everyone turn in their sh!t the night before leaving. The problem is that most of the CC's don't want to be bothered with the BS over there. Therefore, they let their shirts, who are self-appointed uniform Nazi's, go around and do all this crap. They always have the pen and paper handy to take your names and report you to whoever. Apparently, most of these guys don't have enough work to do while deployed. I say send 85% of them home and let the ones left do all the paperwork for all the squadrons.

Sounds like nothing changes. The last time that I was at the Died there was a similar situation. The squadron had decided that all of us would move out of our tents in Camp Andy and into the transient tents so the new guys could move straight into their permanent tents. OK, so I can buy showing the new guys a little love. So the first shirt actually has a schedule out for crew dawgs to turn in their linen and out-processing sh!t the night before they leave. That's right. The show time was like 5 am the next morning and he wants all crew members to turn in their sheets, pillows, blankets, etc by 1700 the night before so that we can turn in our out-processing paperwork as close to 1700 as possible. (notice he was giving us 12 hours for uninterrupted crew rest) This was of course so he didn't have to get up too early the next morning and meet us before we left. Well you can bet that went over like a fart in church. It didn't take long for reason to win out on that one. It's too bad that your CC didn't take a stand on that one. Oh, BTW, did I mention it was January and not very warm at night at this point. Anyone that was there may remember the big circus tent next to Jack's. Yep, that's right the one with the big fvcking hole right in the top. Great conditions to get some crew rest for the primary crew with no blanket, sheets, etc. Oh, right the shirt was still in his nice Alaska tent til the very last day. [ 13. October 2006, 15:36: Message edited by: Herk Driver ]

To answer your question, it is just in the AOR. The AFI actually says that saluting is not required for PT gear. Somehow they've decided in the AOR that they need to keep the BS going. Anyway, good to hear that BS machine churns on.

Codes are different at every base. At least in the Herk community. Didn't AMC have an FCIF come out in late 2004/early 2005 about the multi-A code thing? IIRC, only one dude had the A-code so that when it was time to screw someone for a problem, they knew exactly who to go after. Someone else could have whatever code made him legal to fly left seat and act as the AC, but the A-code guy couldn't "change". Has that changed?

"2" The Ramstein -130's used to have this. Some still may have it. At ETAR they used to carry ECM pods.

Cooter, I understand your point. But, GO 1A has not been changed to reflect any of this stuff. I was working this past year with a JAG who was tasked by his deployed Wing/CC to sort through the crap about sex in the AOR, etc. After he finished, this guy actually got the Wing/CC to sign off on married couples, deployed together being able to sleep in the same tents with each other. The kicker is that there was no restriction against sex, etc. This actually shocked me, because I thought GO 1A was the driving force behind the restrictions that you and I are used to. But like Toro said above, it only covers alcohol and porn with some other administrivia. Imagine my surprise when I found out that all of these restirctions are local CC policy, nothing more. I'll caveat that this was as of a year ago.

The original post read something like: This is why I like the "all, some, or none" policy for officers wearing medals on their service dress. On service dress, one must wear all ribbons/devices per the AFI. Maybe my original post wasn't clear. But, you are correct when talking blues, you have the option of wearing your ribbons or not. Like the prior post pointed out, E's typically wear their ribbons on blues and O's typically don't. Although, prior enlisted O's normally will wear their ribbons on their blues. Sorry for adding to the confusion.

It was my understanding that rule still applies to O's

Like I said, that's part of the misinformation that is out there. GO 1, dated 7 November 1996, was superseded by GO 1A, dated 19 Dec 2000. Unless this one has been superseded, there is no mention of sex, except sexually explicit photos, blah, blah. Now, if your particular local rules preclude member's of the opposite sex in each others tent, that is one thing, but it's not GO 1/1A. But I can guarantee you that some locations have far less stringent rules than no one of opposite sex in your tent. If you'd like to take a look, here's a link: https://www.mnf-iraq.com/Archive/regulation...er%20no%201a%22 ://https://www.mnf-iraq.com/Archive/reg...o%201a%22 You'll have to excuse my ignorance on how to post it correctly, but try to find a restriction on "no member of the opposite sex in another members tent" in this document. This is the General Order that everyone references for all the stupid rules, but it really doesn't have all that much to it. Local rules aside, sex in the desert is OK.

There's a lot of misinformation out there about what is covered by GO 1/1A. GO1A was the change to GO1 that Gen Tommy Franks signed just before the start of OIF, IIRC. However, comments like this one ,She's busy helping her C-130 crew member boyfriend break General Order One, while meant to be funny also show that there is a common misunderstanding of GO 1A. I was in a seminar this past year that showed that there are many people that believe that GO 1/1A covers sexual activity, like the above comment does, but it actually doesn't. Local policy may cover it. So what are the myths and the facts about the GO that are out there? I think it would be interesting to see what everyone here thinks.

I've heard speculation out there that this might be the case. I don't know this individual, so I'll withhold judgement. However, if this is true, this doesn't bode well for a long and lasting marriage.

CONUS on-base dental is Space A for dependents. Get the United Concordia/Tricare dental and go to off-base provider unless you want tons of @sspain. OCONUS, dependents are seen on-base, if a facility is available. You do NOT have to continue paying for the Tricare dental coverage. When you decline though, there is a restriction from signing back up with 12 months, I think?? In addition, unless you are at a main base, like Ramstein, you may be required to go to an off-base provider for some care. If you go off-base without the Tricare dental covergae, you will pay large amounts of money out-of-pocket and in most places, you have to pay when services are rendered. That is the reason that most people continue paying the dental coverage fee. However, I spent 3 years at Ramstein and ditched the coverage to save a few bucks. They can do it all at ETAR. Other places, like where I am now are not as capable. You have to decide based on what is available at your location. My 2 cents. If you have kids that are in need of orthodontics, I would keep the coverage overseas. More than likely, you will be seen off-base or on a Space A basis. The expense is far too great to not have the dental plan.

Ucf, I would hold on to that piece of paper. That is the official "contract" between you and the AF. I know a NAV who only served 4 years of his 5 year ADSC because of a similar screw-up. He had decided to get out and went to turn in his paperwork. When he was at MPF they found out that they had signed the ADSC and it had the wrong date. He was able to seperate on the date on the form even though everyone knew it was a screw-up. Unless things have changed, that is your ticket to walk early if you decide to. That being said, I hope you enjoy what you are doing so much that you decide to stay in. Hell, I'm still well beyond the initial commitment and enjoy everyday that I come to work.

Hold up, just a minute. Are you talking about the ARC crew that took the rocket through the engine up in Mosel? If so, they all got DFC's. I watched them get (re)presented at the AFA last fall in DC. I think they had already gotten them, but they brought them up to DC to showcase them a little bit.

FWIW, there were rumors every year when I was there ('99 - '02) that it was ending as well. Maybe there is a move to do it, but I won't believe it until I see it. Sorry for the thread hi-jack [ 21. September 2006, 04:08: Message edited by: Herk Driver ]

You H3 guys trying something new or just curious?

The official policy is that the USAF does not want to get back into the check the box mentality. When it makes sense to do so, they will send you/get you into a program, etc to get you a degree that helps further the AF mission. So, I'm not so sure that having the second Master's really helps anymore. Of course, with all things, this policy is valid only as long as the current leadership remains in place. However, getting ACSC done as soon as possible and getting JPME I credit is a good thing. Now being able to get the Master's along with it is also a good thing. There is only room to list 3 degrees anyway, right?

Been there...done that. Maybe just too d@mn lazy to walk to the toilet. Of course, I know a guy who had 3 beers and an ambien and slept through a dude in his tent shatting himself. The whole tent cleared out for the night. No one could wake up the dude on ambien though. They opened the tent flaps to help with the smell and left him there until the next morning. And yes, the mad shatter had way more than 3 beers that night.

'15+ minutes'...Sad but true.

3.3.4. Conviction or Involvement in a Serious Incident. Conviction by a military or civil court of a serious offense, including both felonies and misdemeanors, or involvement in a serious incident, or a pattern of behavior or conduct that is reasonably indicative of a contemptuous attitude toward the law or other duly constituted authority may be grounds for decertification or disqualification. Serious incidents include, but are not limited to, any criminal or petty offense, assault, sexual misconduct, financial irresponsibility, an inordinate number of traffic offenses, and child or spouse abuse. So I see where large numbers of traffic tickets can keep you from being PRP. And after reading the AFI, I see that AFPC provides pre-screening of some Officer accession candidates. So, I can see how you were perm de-certed. Are you trying to go to OTS in one of the AFSCs listed in Attachment 11 or are you currently in one of the AFSCs listed? If not, then I think they would have a hard time justifying having done a pre-screen and should probably rethink it. Maybe a trip over to the base PRP monitor with some good questions would be worth your time. Specifically, why the PDI was reported and why the PDS update was accomplished? This is especially true if you aren't in one of those AFSCs (see note 1 under Table A11.1). Hope that helps.

It's funny because CC's are the ones that make the call about PRP cert in the first place. While 8 traffic tickets may make a CC think twice, I didn't know you could be Perm Decert by AFPC before a CC has even had the chance to look at any PDI and make a determination.

Last I heard when I left Base X about 15 months ago, the anthrax program is on a voluntary basis due to a court ruling and an injunction in place against mandatory anthrax. This is due to the age old discussion about informed consent and whether anthrax was tested properly, for its current use, by the FDA before licensing. OK, so we've all been guinea pigs for the last how many years. I've all six shots and the booster with no side effects. Has anyone on this board had a medical anthrax induced problem? I wasn't so enthusiastic about getting smallpox before the war either, but I'd rather have it as a vaccination than get the real deal.

Everything above is exactly correct. Show up by the date on the orders. Billeting is usually the 24 hour arrival point. Check to see if they have rooms, get a room or non-A statement, or not and go on your merry way. On Monday check-in with your orderly room and when you file your voucher with finance, give them the date that you arrived in the local area. They'll ask and just tell them the date. I've moved 9 times and reported in on the weekends several times. Some because it was the last day to arrive and others because I wanted to get there a day or two early to look for houses, stop getting charged for leave and go out and party in my new local area. I wouldn't show up on a Friday just because my RNLTD date fell on a Sat though. Billeting will not give you anything saying when you got there, except a receipt if you stay there. They are just there to get a room or send you off base or whatever. I'm with newflyer, I don't think many of them know that they are the 24 hour arrival point.

Someone else may know some other way, but this is what I was told long ago. Home of Record is the address/residence you have when you enter the military. You can change your HOR if you have a break in service. Otherwise, you cannot. For an officer, you typically do not have a break in service, but for an enlisted guy, technically each time you re-enlist you have a break in service. Have you ever walked into a crusty old Chief's office and seen a ton of discharge certificates on the wall? Well, each time the enlistment period is up, they get discharged and then they start a new period of enlistment. So, they could change the HOR upon each enlistment, if they wanted. If that's not quite right then all I'll say is that was the way it was explained to me. My question would be why do you want/need to change your HOR anyway?