Boomer6

As a ridiculous example of this I witnessed a 1LT (product of an AETC UPT experiment) do MCUG at an exercise...it went about like you'd expect. No hate for the dude, seemed like a good bro/pilot, but FFS.

Sounds like something I would expect from the bobs at Luke.

It'd be interesting to see stats on guard/reserve ran B-Courses v. AD. I'd like to think the former hooks/washes out/generally holds the line better over AD but who knows. Either way B-courses have definitely been kicking the can to ops units to some extent To your scheduling point, why isn't the wpns officer throwing the upgrade IPs? Where I grew up the patch decided who flew with dudes on an upgrade. Are DOs/CCs now directing how the upgrade program is ran and getting into the weeds of scheduling?

Canes gonna be Canes.. Miami players fighting

UPT and PIT as a whole are complicit in 'fixing' the AF's retention problem with new accessions. The result of this complicity is realized in what we all know is UPT/PIT studs making it through that shouldn't. B-Courses and Ops squadrons see this as a failure of IPs to hold the line, which at best leads to a reduction in lethality, and at worst an increase in mishaps. I'm not saying IPs at UPT/PIT are solely responsible, but the enterprise as a whole owns part of the problem and it's 2nd/3rd order effects. PIT pushes some ppl through that are unsafe. They pass ppl that are staying at PIT and then spend months getting them through MQT before they're safe enough to fly with PIT students. This bends the squadron over even more, but their other option is to wash out/FEB a pilot that didnt have an issue in their previous airframe. This isn't 100% of studs, but there is enough of it at PIT/UPT that the increased scoffing from the CAF is, to some extent, earned. I'm not saying all UPT/PIT DOs/CCs for the last x years should be burned at the stake. The decline has been insidious and the external pressures play a huge factor. On the -38 side IPs know there's a better chance they'll get a 5th gen follow-on than a stud getting washed out. If they hook him, the timeline is going to suffer, if the timeline gets any worse they're going to have to go back to flying local weekend sorties in 100 deg heat, and none of it matters because the stud in question is gonna drop a KC-135 anyways. The stud is gonna drop KC-135s because B-Courses can't keep up with the increased production, to include the extra sorties required for the lower quality product from UPT/IFF. Yeah that's right, IFF owns this too. The IPs showing up at UPT/IFF now were a product of the lowered standards caused by increased production pressure. They saw their bros/possibly themselves skate by and think that's how the sausage is supposed to be made. If anyone figures out a way to get the entire AETC enterprise to grade IAW the CTS, and find some bobs that will back their IPs up, maybe the icecream cone gets cleaned. TL;Dr version:

I've never seen a policy letter on the UPT side that alludes to this, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think your best bet is to contact Randolph stan/eval and see if they have data. It's possible they have a policy on this. If not, you'd probably have to ask them to gather MAS (MAAS?) data for all army guys that went through T-6s and/or Rucker. MAS is basically the overall pilot score each stud receives. If you can get AETC to send you those scores for prior army guys and ask them to tell you where it falls on the bell curve you could draw some conclusions from that. That data is definitely available from our GTIMS (UPT flt record/grades software if you're unfamiliar), but will require someone to sort through to find the prior army guys. Knowing the AF it's probably going to take a colonel making a formal request just to get the ball rolling. If you get a general to make the request maybe you can get the data prior to the end of FY25.

Man, if only we'd have bought a bunch of gripens or some re-imagined 1960s interceptors to combat china's new tech.

Pure failure of leadership at the squadron level, in my experience at least. I've seen the same absolutely idiotic decisions because sq/cc's didn't know their ppl, ignored their desires (even when it made sense), or outright used the vml to punish ppl they disliked. AFPC leadership owns plenty of blame. The bros at the porch have been bailing like crazy after that assignment. Based on what they say about AFPC leadership I don't blame them.

I loathe AFPC and the promotion structure. However, the taxpayer deserves to get their money's worth for the cost of UPT etc. If there are late to rates banking on not doing 10, sucks to suck. Shoulda went guard.

Remember you're dealing with the service where the CSAF released a memo saying you could roll your sleeves up, and dudes had to carry around the memo for months because chiefs were trying to pull the, "its not in the regs.." BS. They could write this into law tomorrow and it'd take the mental athletes at MPF 6 months to figure out how to change this in their computer system.

I rest my case on Miami being overrated. Respond whenever you want, but bringing up a terrible Georgia performance against GT to prove your point is disingenuous. The discussion was concerning those 3 teams as of the end of week 13.