We, as humans, haven't physically touched anything beyond the moon. Arguing about how the universe was created is something our minds can't comprehend. It makes me think of the humans in the past who thought the earth was flat and balancing on a giant tortoise. Maybe someday in a few hundred thousand years we'll evolve to have the mental capacity to understand. But until then, we dont know what will happen when we die (not even the smartest priest or atheist). Not a single human alive today knows what is lerking in the shadows beyond life, only the dead. I think we're better off not knowing. Enjoy your life without fucking over others. That's what matters. We'll all get a chance to see what happens after death someday. As for the universe, my mouth breathing mind thinks its been here forever. Something that the human mind has trouble with comprehending. The universe has always been here and it will continue to be here long after the sun exlpodes. There is no beginning or end in the universe.