Buddy Spike

And speaking of "same level of accountability" when's the last time a pilot or crew faced criminal charges (in the US) for a Class A mishap that was pilot error?

Your definition of accountability seems to be punishing people even when the use of force is justified and they're cleared of wrongdoing. Tamir Rice was a horrible situation. Someone called 911 reporting a person with a gun waving it around in the park. They did say it's "probably fake" but it would be unreasonable for law enforcement to assume that (and if it's probably fake, why call 911?). The officers made some serious tactical errors in their approach (pulling up right in front with no cover at all). When Rice reached into his waistband to pull out the gun, they shot him. How were they supposed to know it was a toy? The city of Cleveland settled a $6M lawsuit and the officer was fired. A grand jury declined to indict them. What else do you want? Take the emotion out of it. Do you want them to go to jail "just because"? The Kelly Thomas case went to trial and they were found not guilty. Not by a "thin blue line" but a jury of their peers. Take that up with the courts. Finally, Freddie Gray. He was arrested after fleeing on foot in an area of known criminal activity for a switchblade knife that was illegal in Baltimore. While in custody, he broke his neck in the van and hit his head. Six officers were suspended. All were acquitted or charges dropped. The Obama DOJ (under Lynch) investigated and eventually declined to pursue it. Again, what would you like? Execute them in the streets to assuage your FEELINGS? No one is saying these deaths were justified or right, but to say there was no accountability is wrong. Each example you cited involved criminal charges and trials for the officers.

The "thin blue line thing" isn't a liberal conspiracy, but its meaning has been twisted by the anti-law enforcement crowd. Are you implying that you cannot legitimately use force on unarmed people?

The fact that you think there is no "debrief and accountability culture" in law enforcement only further proves your ignorance. Sign up. Show them how it's done.

Swell. You're actually making my point. As pilots (maybe you're a fucking nav, in which case, disregard. No one cares about your opinion anyway), we know not to speculate on mishaps until the facts come out and an SIB has time to do an investigation. That helicopter crash may not have been pilot error, but the media will still run with their first speculative headlines and "perception becomes reality" despite the facts. You can do better than quoting comedians to try to prove your point.

First, he failed to comply. So, you're right, whether it was because he was high or not is irrelevant. He reached down despite being told not to. What IS relevant is that he was illegally carrying a firearm, which throws the whole "he was a good guy with a concealed carry permit exercising his rights" argument out the window. He was not legally exercising his 2A rights. He was also endangering a child in the process. This is a bit of a fallacy. There are even fewer aviation crashes per year as a percentage of flight hours, should we therefore not have boldface and emergency procedures because the risk is small? Of course not. Every officer should approach every interaction as if it could become a lethal encounter, because it absolutely can. Complacency kills. On the other side, the "gross overstatement" is the "systemic racism" myth. With few exceptions, in nearly every case the media has latched onto, if the "victim" had A) been a law abiding citizen and/or B) complied with officer instructions and not resisted, that person would be alive today. This myth that police are going around indiscriminately killing minorities is what's getting good cops killed. Hesitation kills just as much as complacency. You are correct in that law enforcement assumes a higher level of risk. They should be paid more and given more training. They should also not be expected to be the world's mental health counselors and social workers, but that's another story altogether. Like any other profession (including/especially the military), law enforcement involves a huge cross section of individuals. Some are shitbags. The shitbags usually get run out, but sometimes they end up in leadership just like in the military. I agree that the bad make us all look bad, but the answer is not to make the job harder and run off more good people by removing protections that allow cops to do their jobs. And the answer is certainly not vilifying police with false narratives about racism and "he was a good boy who didn't do anything wrong" lies. In my experience, the majority of people who put on the badge (just like the military who put on the uniform) are good, honest, hardworking people who want to make a difference in their communities and accept the fact that they're doing it for shit pay and a growing sentiment that they're somehow the enemy. As I mentioned earlier, I recommend you see for yourself. Do a ride along. Take a citizens' academy. Or even join your local reserve division. It's easy to throw stones from the cheap seats, but unless you've done it, you're not really speaking from a knowledgeable position.

That's like saying "otherwise legally driving" when your BAC is above the limit. It is a very important point. Castille's actions led to his own death. Had he been carrying legally, not endangering his child, and complied with officer instructions, he would be alive today. I can show you hundreds of examples of officers in this situation who hesitated and wound up dead or bleeding on the side of the road. Officer safety is a big deal. They have a right to go home after the end of the shift, and asking cops to sacrifice safety in the name of propping up criminals is ludicrous. There are millions of police interactions that happen daily that you never hear about because they are uneventful and usually positive. The 0.01% make the news (in the most slanted way possible for ratings and a narrative that NEVER gets corrected when the facts come out) and you want to make it even more dangerous for law enforcement as a result (i.e. - removing qualified immunity, which is idiotic). It's the same flawed logic as the "bAn AsSaULT rIfLeS" crowd after a psychopath shoots up a school with a handgun.

Yup. But according to the peanut gallery, he's still guilty.

He was not legally armed. It is illegal to carry a firearm while under influence of drugs. Castile said he had a weapon and then reached for it despite being told not to.

He wouldn't have died had he not been struggling. He was complaining about not being able to breathe WELL before Chauvin was kneeling on the back of his neck (not his windpipe). Chauvin was also acting IAW department policy. The length of time could point to excessive force, but Floyd died because of Floyd's poor life choices. I don't think cops are perfect. I think you're caught up in the emotion and slurping the bullshit that the media is feeding you.

Chauvin didn’t kill Floyd. A lethal dose of Fentanyl, Meth, alcohol, and pre-existing issues from COVID did. Good lord, dude. You just slurp up all the hysterical false narratives, don’t you?

Yup. I watched the video. Maybe you should too. He was armed, told the officer he was armed, and the officer told him not to reach for it. He did it anyway. He was high and not comprehending instructions. Whether he was reaching for his ID or the weapon is obviously up for debate. You’re right, being high is not a capital offense. But it is DUI, child endangerment and illegally carrying a weapon. Like I said, join your local reserve division. Get the actual training. Find out for yourself instead of throwing rocks from the cheap seats. Here’s the actual dashcam. As usual, your narrative is incorrect:

That’s the problem, you’re buying a false narrative. Philando Castile was armed, high, and not complying (reached into his pocket). You watch too many movies if you think “fellow officers are intimidated into not testifying.” But hey, be the change you want to see. Go join your local agency’s reserve division and see what it’s all about.

If they're cleared of wrongdoing, why would there be additional consequences? Just because?

First of all, that assumes most shootings are not justified, which is false. Second, the fact that you don't know it doesn't make it so. Derrick Stafford (Shooting of Jeremy Mardis) and Michael Slager (Walter Scott shooting) immediately come to mind. The latter involving a lot more gray area.

I can't speak for other states, but in my state (Louisiana) there is only one justifiable homicide law. And it applies to everyone. Obviously law enforcement use of force is not a binary issue and there's plenty of case law you can go through if you want to get smart on it (Graham v Connor was mentioned above, but also Tennessee v Garner, Color of Law, etc.).

What state do you live in that the use of deadly force laws are different for law enforcement?

I'm saying that approaching police there for crowd control while they're yelling loud verbal commands to get back, refusing that order, and putting your hands on them is grounds for exactly what happened. Ask, tell, make. He had plenty of opportunities to walk away. The guy was ANTIFA. If he was too elderly and frail to do what he did, he should've stayed home watching Judge Judy like any other 75 year old should be doing.

No, it is not why they were "totally legitimate." The dude was a known agitator who approached police and ignored verbal commands to get back (after curfew). Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I guess it does have that in common with the BLM protests. 100% of those "victims" would be alive today had they complied peacefully.

I got the second dose of the vaccine yesterday (about 17 hours ago). First dose I had a mild fever the next morning and joint pain the day of. So far on the second dose, zero side effects. Pfizer version.

Being a slow runner does not necessarily mean you have a genetically low VO2Max, nor does it correlate with increased risk of heart disease.

I don't think we did them in the b-course and I remember guidance coming out about at least having PAPI or ILS in 2009ish. Did them in the Navy in the Hornet all the time.

I don't know anything about flying AF fatties, but it's useless info in a fighter overhead. Especially in a jet with a HUD (2.5 degree line) and a steerpoint diamond on the end of the runway.

The ILS wire isn't to the end of the runway though. If you're using that for glidepath guidance on an overhead, you're going to be landing really long.

Okay, explain. How do you use the ILS on an overhead?