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Try Tongue and Quill (AFH 33-337), you can download it here. Cheers! M2

I think he means the rumor promotions aren't as prevalent in AFSOC... The USAF considers you for promotion by AFSC and basically by what you have accomplished during your career and your potential (I know, I am simplifying this but I don’t want to get into a long, detailed discussion on the issue). Considering AFSOC’s OPSTEMPO, being in Spec Ops could be helpful and a hindrance. For one, PME might be a problem unless you get a residence course like ClearedHot. If you have to complete it by correspondence it might be tougher. Same goes for a grad degree, and despite what the USAF is saying that is still a weighty factor in promotion. I seriously doubt a senior rater will not use it as a discriminating factor for promotion to lieutenant colonel, if not major. It all depends on the senior rater. But, on the other hand, that same OPSTEMPO will get you the kind of experience the USAF likes to see. Right now Spec Ops plays a major role in the combat portion of OEF (again, I am not trying to diminish anyone else’s role, I am just sticking to AFSOC), that’s worth a lot of “promotion points.” Now, there may be a problem of guys getting into AFSOC and not wanting to leave, which can have a detrimental effect on your career. As much as we all hate it, staff jobs and “broadening tours” are part of the career process. You can forgo those to an extent, but your advancement may suffer because of it. But shit, if you enjoy what you are doing and would rather do that then sit in an office typing BS on a computer all day, like some of us do :( , then go with what your gut tells you and push hard for that AFSOC assignment. If I were a young lad it would certainly be high on my list. Just my €0.02 and the ramblings of an old fart. I am sure CH or some other old AFSOCers will roll in on this one to give you the true gouge... Cheers! M²

Dirt Try the main page that Rotorhead referenced (Scott's USAF Installation page) and you should be able to find all the info you need. Otherwise, I would recommend going to the web site of a specific base and seeing if they have a link to the base's history, or try Global Security for some of the history. I know some, such as Langley and Bolling, are quite old. However, why they are in their specific location is usually due to a variety of reasons. I don't think there is specific rhyme nor reason as to their locations, at least not that I know of... A long time ago I heard a rumor that RAF bases were named after the closest train station, but that turned out not to be an all-encompassing rule. Cheers! M2

OK, I won't say anything then... Cheers! M2

Toro pretty much answered all your questions, I had a saber guard at my wedding but it was all my USAF buds. We purposely had one bud, a female, at the end of the line so she could swat me in the butt with the saber (it is tradition for the last guy in the saber detail to swat the butt of the bride, but to make it fair I got swatted as well!). Best you talk with your bud about the uniform, as like Toro I have never been to a formal wedding that wasn't mess dress for military personnel. Now, a justice of the peace wedding might be in service dress (a.k.a. Class A's for the Army types), but if he is going to have a saber guard it is pretty much a formal wedding! Lastly, as for the sabers don't worry too much about it, just go with what they can get their hands on (saber-wise, that is) as you will only be wearing it at the end of the wedding, once the nuptials are all done and the groom kisses the bride and all that jazz. That is the saber team's cue to get geared up and formed up outside of the church. Just try to look and act as a team, and you'll be fine. Seriously, even if you hose it up, what's anyone going to do, give you a LOR or something? This isn't a Gold Bond Powder video we're talking about here! And one last last, enjoy the day, at least you're not the one getting married! :eek: Cheers! M2

Look at or download (right click on and 'save as') this file - The Military wedding. It's USAF specific but it should answer your questions. Also, next time try Google. Armed with Knowledge Cheers! M2

Operation Bolo: 2 January 1967 By late 1966, U.S. losses over North Vietnam (to both MiGs and SAMs) were mounting. Colonel Robin Olds of the 8th TFW worked up a plan to decoy the PAVNAF (People's Army of Vietnam North Air Force), setting up Phantoms to electronically resemble Thuds on a bombing mission. https://www.afa.org/magazine/Nov1998/1198mig.asp Met Olds in C. Springs many moons ago, he got rid of the handlebar mustache. Apparantly the CSAF told him it had to go... Cheers! M2

Air Force Personnel Center News Service April 8, 2005 Release No. 031 Air Force announces Thrift Savings Plan open season RANDOLPH AIR FORCE BASE, Texas -- Civilian and military employees can sign up for, or change, their Thrift Savings Plan contribution amounts during the "open season" April 15 - June 30. "TSP is a long-term retirement savings plan, which everyone should consider," said Ms. Jackie Holland, task manager at the Air Force Personnel Contact Center here. "It's a great supplement to military and civilian retirement plans. "It's also important to note that TSP is not limited to investing in stocks," said Ms. Holland. "People can choose safer government securities as well." This open season applies only to regular TSP contributions. It does not include TSP catch-up contributions, as they are not tied to open seasons, according to Janet Thomas, of AFPC's civilian benefits and entitlements service team. TSP offers investors the chance for lower taxes each year they contribute while not having to pay taxes on earnings until they reach retirement. "Eligible employees can take out loans and make in-service withdrawals from their TSP accounts," said Ms. Thomas. "And you can keep your account, even if you leave military or federal civilian service." Investment money is deposited directly from each paycheck "so you never have to think about it," said Ms. Holland. "That makes it easy to 'pay yourself first' while only investing what you deem appropriate." The five TSP funds are: the Government Securities Investment (G) Fund; the Common Stock Index Investment © Fund; the Fixed Income Index Investment (F) Fund; the Small Capitalization Stock Index Investment (S) Fund; and the International Stock Index Investment (I) Fund. TSP also hopes to make "Lifecycle" funds available mid-2005. Lifecycle funds are 'target asset allocation portfolios' that will hold a mix of the five funds currently available. The mix of funds is chosen based on the date the employee expects to need money for retirement. The Thrift Board is still working out the details. In the meantime, a series of questions and answers on the lifecycle funds can be found on the TSP Web site at: https://www.tsp.gov/curinfo/specint/LFC-Qs&As.html Additional publicity will be issued when final details become available. "As with any individual retirement account, the sooner you begin contributing, the better," said Ms. Thomas. Contribution elections and/or changes made between April 15 and June 11 will take effect June12, for both military and civilian personnel. Changes made on or after June 12 will become effective at the beginning of the pay period following the one in which the election is made for civilians and the following month for military. Public Law 108-469, signed into law Dec. 21, 2004, will eliminate TSP open seasons. The Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board is implementing this law effective July 1, 2005. As a result, beginning July 1, civilian employees and military members may start, change, stop, or resume contributions at any time. For civilians the elections will be effective at the beginning of the pay period following the one in which submitted, and for military members elections will be effective the following month. Some of the specifics of the program include: Military -- Military members can contribute up to 10 percent of their base pay, as long as the annual total of tax-deferred investment doesn't exceed $14,000 for 2005. Airmen also have the ability to invest all or part of their bonuses or special pay. -- Those serving in tax-free combat zones are allowed up to $42,000 in annual contributions. -- Military members can enroll through the Defense Finance and Accounting Service web site at https://www.dfas.mil/emss/ They can also enroll by filling out a form TSP-U-1 at local military personnel flights, finance offices and family support centers. -- Contribution allocations (how an employee chooses to invest money among the five funds) can be made by calling the TSP automated ThriftLine (877) 968-3778 for members in the 50 States, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa and Canada, or (504) 255-8777 for members elsewhere, or on the TSP web site at https://www.tsp.gov/ For general TSP questions, call the Air Force Personnel Contact Center at (800) 616-3775. -- Specific TSP information is available for Air Force military personnel at https://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/mpf/TSP/th...avings_plan.htm Civilian Contribution limits are based on which retirement system an employee has. For the current open season, the following contribution rates apply: -- Federal Employees' Retirement System employees may contribute up to 15 percent of basic pay each pay period. Once eligible, the government provides matching funds of up to four percent as well as an automatic one percent each pay period, whether the employee contributes or not, making the government's contribution five percent. -- Employees covered by the Civil Service Retirement System may contribute up to 10 percent of basic pay, but do not receive any agency contributions. -- Beginning in December 2005, there will no longer be percentage limits on how much FERS and CSRS employees may contribute each year. Contributions will be restricted only by the Internal Revenue Code's annual limit, which is $15,000 for 2006. -- Specific information is available for civilian employees from the Thrift Savings Plan web site at https://www.tsp.gov/ and the BEST homepage at https://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/dpc/BEST/menu.htm -- All Air Force-serviced civilian employees will make their TSP contribution elections or changes electronically through the Web-based Employee Benefits Information System at https://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/dpc/BEST_GRB/EBIS.htm or through the BEST automated phone system at (800) 616-3775. Hearing impaired employees may contact BEST by calling TDD (800) 382-0893 or commercial 565-2276 within San Antonio, Texas. Overseas employees will dial the AT&T Direct Access Number for the country they are calling from and then enter (800) 616-3775. AT&T Direct Access Numbers can be obtained from access instructions can be obtained from https://www.business.att.com/bt/dial_guide.jsp Counselors are available weekdays from 7 a.m. - 6 p.m. Central Time. -- Contribution allocations (how an employee chooses to invest their money among the five funds) are made via the "Account Access" section of the TSP website https://www.tsp.gov , or by calling the ThriftLine (1-877- 968-3778 for employees in the 50 States, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa and Canada; 1-504-255-8777 for employees elsewhere). More information about the Thrift Savings Plan can be found in the booklet "Summary of the Thrift Savings Plan" on the TSP home page under civilian or uniformed services TSP Forms and Publications. Cheers! M2

Air Force Personnel Center News Service April 8, 2005 Release No. 031 Air Force announces Thrift Savings Plan open season RANDOLPH AIR FORCE BASE, Texas -- Civilian and military employees can sign up for, or change, their Thrift Savings Plan contribution amounts during the "open season" April 15 - June 30. "TSP is a long-term retirement savings plan, which everyone should consider," said Ms. Jackie Holland, task manager at the Air Force Personnel Contact Center here. "It's a great supplement to military and civilian retirement plans. "It's also important to note that TSP is not limited to investing in stocks," said Ms. Holland. "People can choose safer government securities as well." This open season applies only to regular TSP contributions. It does not include TSP catch-up contributions, as they are not tied to open seasons, according to Janet Thomas, of AFPC's civilian benefits and entitlements service team. TSP offers investors the chance for lower taxes each year they contribute while not having to pay taxes on earnings until they reach retirement. "Eligible employees can take out loans and make in-service withdrawals from their TSP accounts," said Ms. Thomas. "And you can keep your account, even if you leave military or federal civilian service." Investment money is deposited directly from each paycheck "so you never have to think about it," said Ms. Holland. "That makes it easy to 'pay yourself first' while only investing what you deem appropriate." The five TSP funds are: the Government Securities Investment (G) Fund; the Common Stock Index Investment © Fund; the Fixed Income Index Investment (F) Fund; the Small Capitalization Stock Index Investment (S) Fund; and the International Stock Index Investment (I) Fund. TSP also hopes to make "Lifecycle" funds available mid-2005. Lifecycle funds are 'target asset allocation portfolios' that will hold a mix of the five funds currently available. The mix of funds is chosen based on the date the employee expects to need money for retirement. The Thrift Board is still working out the details. In the meantime, a series of questions and answers on the lifecycle funds can be found on the TSP Web site at: https://www.tsp.gov/curinfo/specint/LFC-Qs&As.html Additional publicity will be issued when final details become available. "As with any individual retirement account, the sooner you begin contributing, the better," said Ms. Thomas. Contribution elections and/or changes made between April 15 and June 11 will take effect June12, for both military and civilian personnel. Changes made on or after June 12 will become effective at the beginning of the pay period following the one in which the election is made for civilians and the following month for military. Public Law 108-469, signed into law Dec. 21, 2004, will eliminate TSP open seasons. The Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board is implementing this law effective July 1, 2005. As a result, beginning July 1, civilian employees and military members may start, change, stop, or resume contributions at any time. For civilians the elections will be effective at the beginning of the pay period following the one in which submitted, and for military members elections will be effective the following month. Some of the specifics of the program include: Military -- Military members can contribute up to 10 percent of their base pay, as long as the annual total of tax-deferred investment doesn't exceed $14,000 for 2005. Airmen also have the ability to invest all or part of their bonuses or special pay. -- Those serving in tax-free combat zones are allowed up to $42,000 in annual contributions. -- Military members can enroll through the Defense Finance and Accounting Service web site at https://www.dfas.mil/emss/ They can also enroll by filling out a form TSP-U-1 at local military personnel flights, finance offices and family support centers. -- Contribution allocations (how an employee chooses to invest money among the five funds) can be made by calling the TSP automated ThriftLine (877) 968-3778 for members in the 50 States, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa and Canada, or (504) 255-8777 for members elsewhere, or on the TSP web site at https://www.tsp.gov/ For general TSP questions, call the Air Force Personnel Contact Center at (800) 616-3775. -- Specific TSP information is available for Air Force military personnel at https://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/mpf/TSP/th...avings_plan.htm Civilian Contribution limits are based on which retirement system an employee has. For the current open season, the following contribution rates apply: -- Federal Employees' Retirement System employees may contribute up to 15 percent of basic pay each pay period. Once eligible, the government provides matching funds of up to four percent as well as an automatic one percent each pay period, whether the employee contributes or not, making the government's contribution five percent. -- Employees covered by the Civil Service Retirement System may contribute up to 10 percent of basic pay, but do not receive any agency contributions. -- Beginning in December 2005, there will no longer be percentage limits on how much FERS and CSRS employees may contribute each year. Contributions will be restricted only by the Internal Revenue Code's annual limit, which is $15,000 for 2006. -- Specific information is available for civilian employees from the Thrift Savings Plan web site at https://www.tsp.gov/ and the BEST homepage at https://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/dpc/BEST/menu.htm -- All Air Force-serviced civilian employees will make their TSP contribution elections or changes electronically through the Web-based Employee Benefits Information System at https://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/dpc/BEST_GRB/EBIS.htm or through the BEST automated phone system at (800) 616-3775. Hearing impaired employees may contact BEST by calling TDD (800) 382-0893 or commercial 565-2276 within San Antonio, Texas. Overseas employees will dial the AT&T Direct Access Number for the country they are calling from and then enter (800) 616-3775. AT&T Direct Access Numbers can be obtained from access instructions can be obtained from https://www.business.att.com/bt/dial_guide.jsp Counselors are available weekdays from 7 a.m. - 6 p.m. Central Time. -- Contribution allocations (how an employee chooses to invest their money among the five funds) are made via the "Account Access" section of the TSP website https://www.tsp.gov , or by calling the ThriftLine (1-877- 968-3778 for employees in the 50 States, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa and Canada; 1-504-255-8777 for employees elsewhere). More information about the Thrift Savings Plan can be found in the booklet "Summary of the Thrift Savings Plan" on the TSP home page under civilian or uniformed services TSP Forms and Publications. Cheers! M2

Just to piss in the Wheaties a bit, and nothing personal here, but SPACECOM probably had more of a dog somewhere in the big GWOT scheme of things than AETC (to include the USAFA and AFROTC). And as I watch the US Army specialist in my office get his 13th or 14th AAM (I lost count), it's kinda tough to MF the USAF about having too many doodads on our uniforms. So who really gives a flying **** if the powers that be want to raise the morale of 85% of the military by giving out another $7.50 worth of worthless ribbon and metal? Just slap the SOB on your mess dress and the next time you are smoking a cigar at a dining out or AF Birthday Ball make jokes about it. If they embarass you that much, go out and earn some real ones... Cheers! M2

Another thing to mention for future reference, when you PCS be sure to hang on to your personal records/files if you are contemplating buying a house at your next assignment. I didn't do so when we left Germany in 1999 and bought our house in San Antonio (in my defense I hadn't planned on buying a house), and the asspain was tenfold. I recently bought some Tupperware file holders and transferred all my files from my metal file cabinet to them, and will probably put them in my hold baggage. Just something to remember down the road... Cheers! M2

Agree with Toro, you should wait until your first duty station. One year isn't enough to break even on real estate, and if you turn it into a rental property you will always have one-year tenants (UPT studs). Think about it, would you want renters like yourself?? Seriously, for that first year it is better to get yourself a low-mainteance apartment. Cheers! M2

Dactyl If you are ever in San Antonio, USAA has a large complex that covers both the insurance and banking sides of their operations. The also have major offices in Phoenix, C. Springs, Norfolk, Sacramento and Tampa. Contact info can be found here. Cheers! M2

Sorry, I missed the second part of your question. See the other thread from a few weeks ago titled 'Retirement'. Bottom line, no, you don't get any retirement benefits until you have completed 20 years, unless you are medically retired for some reason... Cheers! M2

Jeez, did you completely miss the recent thread titled 'Money'?? :confused: Cheers! M2

Pogo No physical differences in the jet, just the mission. An OA-10 is an airborne FAC with a different weapons load. There are some who think the OA-10 designation came about during Cheney's axing of single mission tactical USAF aircraft post-DESERT STORM. Adding the observation mission made the Hawg a dual-role a/c, see? Funding was also an issue, but that gets too complex. Bottom line, it is the same aircraft. A Hawg can fly an OA-10 mission in the morning and an A-10 mission in the afternoon... Cheers! M2 [ 07. April 2005, 11:54: Message edited by: MajorMadMax ]

JetJock Again, I would advise you to take to a financial advisor. Real estate may or may not be a good investment, the market moves up and down. Had I tried to sell our two condos before leaving for Germany in 1995, we would have taken a big hit--$20-30K--as we hadn't owned them for a long time. I also expected to take a bath on the house we bought in Texas, but as I said we actually made some money on that one. If you consider rent versus mortgage (rent gets you no returns), and if you are willing to accept the risks/benefits of owning rental properties (guess who pays the mortgage on them when you have no tenants? Yep, you do! Also guess who pays for the new a/c, fridge, water heater, clothes dryer, etc when they crap out? Yep, you again! But it is tax deductible...), then by all means consider buying properties. But balance your portfolio and don't put all your eggs in one basket, so to speak. Also don't expect any golden-egg-laying geese, just ask anyone that lost big on the dot-coms! Also, for the longest time my saving accounts were making more money off interest than my mutual funds! I would strongly recommend you read the advice/suggestions given above, and get a professional to help you work out a plan to make your money work for you! Oh, one last helpful hint...try and find a wife like ClearedHot's! Cheers! M2

Foster Go with a property management company, I have had great ones and I have had not-so-great ones, but the best part is that I know someone else is taking care of business when I can't. Considering that I have spend 7 out of the last 10 years overseas, there is no way I could properly run my properties. Their fees aren't too bad, and my current property managers were the one who sold one of our condos (they make out like bandits in doing so, but the overall price and timing was enticing enough for me to share the wealth a bit). Cheers! M2

JetJock I bought a condo in Maryland and assumed my wife's condo (in the same complex) when we got married. We lvied in them until we moved to Germany in 1995, at which time they became rental properties. The tax breaks are sweet. We just sold one last month and took in a cool $51K. When we left Germany in 1999 for San Antonio I was all determined to only rent, but the rental market is shit there and the realtor we were using showed us a beautiful house that was for sale. Sinec both my wife and I fell in love with it, we decided to take the plunge and buy. I figured I was going to take a bath on it in three years, but renting is basically the same as flushing the money down the toilet so what's the difference? If I lost a lot of money (as we would have done if we sold the condos in Maryland), I could always use loss as a tax write-off. However, the market was in our favor and we actually made $18K when we sold the place three years later. Oddly enough, I was always a believer that real estate was a bad investment unless you let it build up over a decent amount of time (at least 10 years). In retrospect my property investments have paid off better than any of my other investments. But YMMV and all the usual caveats. Cheers! M2

JetJock You can live well as an officer in the USAF, probably middle to upper-middle class. If you are really savvy with the market you might be able to build up quite a financial portfolio over your 20-year career, possibly even making a million (we are talking dollars, right? ) but as it has been said there are a ton of variables you have to contend with to reach that goal. For one, factor in a wife and kids and it might be a lot tougher. Right now I am driving a car that is older than the one I drove in college! But consider a few other things as well. First, whereas you want to be as fiscally secure as possible, if you want to make gobs of money then the military probably isn’t the best choice of professions. However, the other tangible benefits--experience, education, opportunity--will make you a much ‘richer’ person. This was never so evident to me until I went to my twentieth high school reunion. Comparing what people have done with their lives over the past two decades, I realized I did make the smart choice when I stumbled into the recruiter’s office after high school. The USAF later sent me to college, and I have been lucky enough to be stationed overseas for almost half of my career. For all that I will always be grateful. But, to answer your question, I have bought three properties since I have been in, one of which thanks to my veteran’s benefits. It is easy to obtain and sustain a comfortable lifestyle, but be smart and come up with a good investment plan early on in your career. Look into USAA or another investment organization…. STAY AWAY from First Command Financial (formerly known as USPA/IRA). See these threads on the bad experiences most people have had with them: https://www.dynamictruth.com/cgi-bin/ultima...t=001913#000000 https://www.dynamictruth.com/cgi-bin/ultima...t=001103#000004 There is also a load of good advice in the above threads, just figure out what works best for you and go for it! Good luck with both your finances and your career! Cheers! M2

Mr Harvester Drop Drew an email at: disenfranchised@fun-meter.com Cheers! M2

The Fun-meter.com web site is working but the company is not. Here's the gouge... I just got email from Drew (founder/president of Fun-meter) and his signature block says the new company's name will be Crewdogs, L.L.C. If you have any orders that have shown up, drop them an email at: disenfranchised@fun-meter.com I knew I was missing one order from last Feb, but I forgot completely about one from last June! Luckily I had PayPal records to prove I paid. They are fixing both. Cheers! M2

Try... EMAIL: emmado22@hvc.rr.com or call them at (845) 236-111 or try: https://www.nametags4u.com/moralepatches.html or you might try emailing Whitey at: https://www.av8rstuff.com/ Let me know if you need further help. Cheers! M2

The A-10C will be the result of a program called Precision Engagement(PE) and is scheduled to begin on the active A-10A fleet in 2006 and finish around the 2009 time frame. The A-10C will have a number of upgrades over the A-10A and will make the Warthog a viable weapons system well into this century. Precision Engagement was born about four years ago when a plan was developed to merge a number of smaller, funded programs, into one large modification. By combining all the smaller programs into one large one a lot of money could be saved in development, testing, and installation over doing the smaller modifications separately. PE has been in development for the past four years with the first A-10C being flown at Eglin AFB on 20 Jan 05 piloted by Maj. "Lou" Rawles. The official roll-out of the the A-10C happened less than a week later on 25 Jan 05, also at Eglin. The PE mod includes a totally redesigned main instrument panel, smart weapons capabilities, and aircraft DC power upgrades. The A-10C cockpit will receive 2 5X5 multifunction Color Displays (MFCDs), a Hands On Stick and Throttle (HOTAS) system with a modified F-15E right throttle grip, and a modified F-16 control stick grip. Other cockpit items include an Upfront Controller, new Armament HUD control panel, and a redesigned main instrument panel to hold it all. External changes to the A-10C will be minimal being confined to the weapons pylons, you will really have to know your Hawg to be able to spot an "A" from a "C" from the outside. All A-10s are receiving an upgraded, more powerful LASTE computer being done as a separate modification so A models can have the improved capabilites before their PE upgrade. The newer, more powerful, Integrated Flight and Fire Control Computer (IFFCC), pronounced "If-C", modification will be completed this year (2005). The schedule for the modification (who get it when) is still being developed and will be driven by the needs of the Air Force. I believe some Hawgs are being retired to "pay" for the PE upgrades. I don't have the numbers in front of me (I am on leave at the moment) but I will see if I can get them. In the mean time, this Air Force Times article covers it pretty well... By the way, there is one small error in the article on the ammo load number...it should be 1,174 +/- 5 rounds... Cheers! M2

But also remember there is still the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, which still requires you to be someplace where there is actually some operations going on against terrorism to get one! The GWOT-E "shall be awarded to members of the Armed Forces of the United States who serve or have served in military expeditions to combat terrorism, as defined by such regulations, on or after September 11, 2001, and before a terminal date to be prescribed by the Secretary of Defense." The GWOT-S is "shall be awarded to members of the Armed Forces of the United States who serve or have served in military operations to combat terrorism, as defined by such regulations, on or after September 11, 2001, and before a terminal date to be prescribed by the Secretary of Defense." (Source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...0030312-6.html) See the difference? Me neither...maybe this 'plain English' version will help... GWOT-S: Service members must be assigned, attached, or mobilized to a unit participating in or serving in support of designated operations for 30 consecutive days or 60 nonconsecutive days, or must meet one of the following criteria: -- Be engaged in actual combat regardless of time in the operation; or, -- While participating in the operation, regardless of time, is killed, wounded, or injured requiring medical evacuation from the operation. GWOT-E: Service members must be assigned, attached, or mobilized to a unit participating in designated operations for 30 consecutive days or 60 nonconsecutive days in the area of eligibility, or meet one of the following criteria: -- Be engaged in actual combat against the enemy and under circumstances involving grave danger of death or serious bodily injury from enemy action, regardless of time in the area of responsibility; -- While participating in the designated operation, regardless of time, is killed, wounded, or injured requiring medical evacuation from the area of eligibility; -- Service members participating as a regularly assigned air crew member flying sorites into, out of, within, or over the area of eligibility in direct support of Operations Enduring Freedom and/or Iraqi Freedom are eligible to qualify for the medal. Each day that one or more sorties are flown in accordance with these criteria shall count as one day twoard the 30 or 60 day requirement are eligible. (Sources: https://foxfall.com/csm-common-wots.htm & https://foxfall.com/csm-common-wote.htm) Cheers! M2 [ 30. March 2005, 16:40: Message edited by: MajorMadMax ]