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I don't remember what year it was but the AF got rid of reserve commissions altogether and now all AD officers are regular. My commissioning papers state "reserve" because I was ROTC-- but now, no officer on AD (not sure, but probably except for guard reserve dudes on AD orders) is a reserve officer. As far as sanctuary goes, I would say the title 10 just hasn't been updated to reflect the fact AF AD officers don't hold reserve commissions anymore. I think the key text of title 10 is that it states, "An officer who is retained in an active status under subsection (a) or (b) is an additional number to those otherwise authorized" We've all learned about congressional end strength the past few years........ which is why I think that text is key - regardless of end strength, an officer in this situation cannot be booted because of end strength. Subsection (a) and (b) basically say that the officer cannot be taken off of active duty without his consent after 18 yrs until he hits 20 yrs (letting him retire) Obviously, it's a legal document and maybe there's some lawyers lurking that can decipher all of the "fine print". Overall, however, I think it is pretty clear that as long as an officer hits 18 years and doesn't F up, that officer gets to retire regardless of AF "force shaping" or whatever is going on at the time. Doubtful. You would have to choose between retiring and 7-day opting in that case. Edit: by deciding to retire you'd have to do the 365 in this scenario.

Two things from Liquid's long post: 1. We are at war/mission first 2. People see only the negative of their current assignment For #1, I know I get heated because this point appears to be forgotten. I've made maj, checked the boxes, etc yet I see leadership at all levels more worried about careerism than said war/mission For #2, Shack. Since I was enlisted as a 17 yr old, this holds true. For whatever reason, in my experience, people embrace the negative. I did not. I've loved everwhere I've been. HUGE disclaimer: I am not talking about taking someone out of a cockpit who loves to serve this great country as a flyer and telling them to like it. I'm only agreeing that there is a tendency to obscure positives about assignments with negatives. I have not been pulled outta the flying gig so there is no personal connotation here

didn't realize it was taken out by the crash. In that case, if it was working they should have been using it to verify their approach path. FallingOsh: I know what you're saying w/regards to all the talk about the electronic glidepath/over-reliance. I agree with that. Still, I think those systems will be relevant for the fact that pilots are humans and subject to human factors issues. If there is an illusion on that approach, you'd better verify your approach path w/whatever means is available. If this was the case, that the pilots didn't use the PAPIS if they were operational.....and being human they can F up, those available electrons might have saved 2 lives. Add: my theory is speculation and could be wrong. I respect the NTSB because they will turn over every leaf and probably find a bunch of links in the accident chain that might have been broken. We will all be safer if we look at whatever recommendations they determine.

My theory: ILS glideslope AND PAPI were NOTAM'd out. Probably a visual illusion involved since the runway is right at the water. The pilots bit on the illusion and flew a drug in approach (as noted by some witnesses on the ground). They realized they were gonna land short, tried to go around then stalled/struck the tail. I make dudes/dudettes click off the damn automation and fly a real visual approach. As a few have said, "aimpoint/airspeed". I've seen said new copilots freak out that they are flying without the automation........ Anyway, I have a pretty good feeling that over-reliance on automation (as in when it's out of service and your pilot skills aren't so great) might be a named a factor. edit: I didn't pull any pubs to see if 28L has any remarks about illusions but I can imagine there is one w/out any electronic vertical guidance.

IMO, quit feeding the troll.

Smoke screens and door handles that shock! Veterans against the Po-Po....hell yeah! This is some funny shit.

Mr. Sarcastic, as you're driving to work and enjoying the things from your post that I highlighted w/bold text, I can only hope that you might look at your numbers and charts and think about what you've heard here, maybe even put a "face" to those numbers. We are actually people trying to have a normal life while fighting the wars (just war now). Oh, and BTW we want to do this because we believe in service before self....yep, just did it, mentioned a core value and I'm an 11M. If that's what we are to you (numbers on charts) then I hope you at least think about the dude that can't enjoy your QOL while you're at the free museum after your easy week with long lunches. Peace.

And it is understood that we love our country, our job, tend to have type A personalities, and are used to being in control of things. That's why I get so pissed when people stereotype pilots when the actual discussion is about $ and a program designed to give pilots $. I won't qualify for the bonus as a prior E so I am not personally heated by the bonus. I am heated when people stereotype pilots, thinking we just care about #1 and $

And the numbers don't reflect reality. Trust me.

^ I say this because Rusty sticks to his guns. IMHO, the AF needs people to do this more. No more "Sir, Yes Sir" Robots. This discussion has become about pilots bitching about bonus $ and not respecting big blue. F that notion. On a broader scope, there's much more involved. I think Billy Mitchell would agree in that sense. To add: I don't understand when someone starts posting and claiming that they are (at the pentagon, sr leaders, whatever the case) the discussion turns into kissing some ass. WTFO. Even on the internet, in an anonymous environment people are willing to bow down to the "leader". Uggh

"2" Nice post, man. Couldn't agree more and couldn't have said it better.

Just one more Jab. If I seem to be bitching and complaining, then let me out. Oh wait, I can't! I am an 11M. I cannot Palace Chase. I am excluded from it! But we're over-manned! But there's a glut! How about early retirement for the glut? Save money cuz they'd forfeit a portion of 20 yr retirement to retire early and save taxpayers $ ............I know you lose a certain % off of the normal 20 yr retirement for each yr early......just sayin............. no talk of that!?

Dude.........I don't know anyone in my career field (rated pilots as a whole) that isn't passionate about the job. You can't make it as a pilot in the AF if you aren't. Edit: By saying "I don't know anyone in my career field" excludes anyone who went through the pilot selection process, UPT, MWS upgrades......etc.....etc and decided queep/career was more important than flying/the mission

RANT: ON matmacwc: you're not the object of RANT just used your quote. Chang is objective I see troll. Several posts back, he was saying the C-17 community is "brutalized" in an attempt to ID with crew dogs. Then, the last several posts revealed the trollness. All of a sudden, it's another troll telling everyone to STFU, he knows better than you do. C'mon, He's not some "leader" up at the puzzle palace looking out for you. He's a troll trying to start shit by joining the forum as a proclaimed "senior leader." It's all horseshit. I say quit listening to these troll douchers. You won't make a difference with trolls.....ever. My bullshit flag was raised because he claimed to know what it's like in the C-17 world ..... my world.....and then told everyone to more or less F off, followed by big blue....big blue.......big blue......words......and some other BS. You don't know my world Chang.........I'm trying to live a normal life with the few days I have at home with the wife and kid while you think numbers and charts are more important than the fact we are still downrange and people are still dying while bullets are flying. The dudes posting about their bonus deserve it. They deserve more, actually. They are posting on what used to be a cool place for pilots to post whatever. This is NOT the CGOC or whatever BS. Go play Big Blue somewhere else with the douchery. Sorry if I'm outta line, just got a little pissed about the fact that I gave up EVERYTHING for the past several years and this troll is trolling. RANT: OFF Edit to try to say what I was thinking: Sick of apparent "leaders in the know" trying to ID with dudes fighting the war while questioning said dudes' intentions of serving while the dudes fighting see what's going on for themselves.

I realize you said "in general" but why are 11Ms specifically excluded from palace chasing? Don't get it.

Valid point IMO about communicating via effective writing. However, SOS/military writing is not the same as civilian writing. Disclaimer: I did the 5 week gig a couple of years ago so I don't know what they're doing now with the SOS course.....only speaking from my own experience. In that experience, writing at SOS was complete BS. The instructors had a litmus for what was a "great/awesome/excellent/whatever the F you wanna call it" paper based on whatever BS rubric they were issued. There's no peer-reviewed journal-published articles to cite as in a civilian course. I don't think the writing at SOS had anything to do with effective communication as much as it did with expressing how much blue Kool-Aid you had drank (and in the format supported by the Kool-Aid factory).

Ha, that checks Slick. Now, as far as this "one uniform" across the services.............that's what BDUs were. WTFO? Let's go ahead and reinvent the wheel!

I was an E and I sure as hell didn't use my annual uniform money for uniforms. I was a maintainer, too....... Disclaimer: I wore BDUs that I was issued for my 4.5 yrs as an E (and they lasted the whole time).......so if you were an ABU type and had to buy uniforms all the time cuz the ABUs wore out then disregard. I don't know, I've only worn the ABUs I had to buy out of pocket as an O once. On the other hand thinking about cost of BDU vs ABU, each new E rank with BDUs = sewing on ranks on all of your stuff so there was still a cost....

Worked for me. I was getting the error all of the time here at the certain location -- haven't had any issues the past few days.

Along with what you are all saying, rated dudes will probably always hold the promotion system in contempt. We invest so much up front to the air force (getting a pilot slot, UPT, SERE, crew qual upgrades, etc etc) all while trying to not die in the process. Then we sign a 10 year ADSC for the effort and that ADSC doesn't say we get to keep flying. On the other hand, other career fields don't sign that 10 year ADSC and can punch when they don't get promoted.......... makes no sense

Don't have your answer - just speculation. Seems the AF doesn't care about the $ too much; it's just a means to get you into another ADSC. I'd bet they wouldn't let you out of the ADSC because the ADSC is more valuable to them than the money.

Man, WTF? So, after continuous force shaping the AF is basically pulling mafia techniques to force people to stay in (via ADSC incurred from the bonus)........."you can have the option to leave, but you will hate life while you don't......muwah ha ha ha ha.........." Shit. edit: ^ in the case FOTR was implemented

WTF. The "kid", internet stalker, CGOC rep, whoever it is asked for advice on a fairytale dream involving being a USAF pilot using "intimate" in the title. The "kid", internet stalker, CGOC rep or whoever got a lot of solid advice for such a shitty initial post and should be grateful for it. I will tailor my advice to the doucher cuz the "kid" only wants to hear what "he" wants to hear. And it is 100% true because i am deployed right now. I absolutely LOVE that I have been deployed for 310 days in the past year! My family IS in one place right now!!! It is so special and sweet! I missed trick-or-treating, thanksgiving, christmas, new years, my anniversary, both my wife and kids' birthdays and my kid's first dance recital! For my family, that IS normal right now. Art came looking for advice and that's the truth from a deployed AF pilot. I've been married for 9 yrs and have a young kid. And I'm 35 like "his" dream talks about. Art, you get genuine advice about the real world and not your little dreamy rainbow world.........and from pilots nonetheless.........and call people like me douches ----- Go F yourself. You wouldn't last a day in the military, let alone a flying squadron.

Figured it out: You were looking for a CGOC forum. Or, you are actually a CGOC mole......

Keep them in one place? They can stay in one place. You won't Sacrifice anything except a normal family life? Clean kill on joining the military Content on CE: CE officers deploy, too.