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In 1995, an F-15E crew got spatially disoriented after their instruments froze on a night sortie. The only reason they knew something was wrong was because they heard the wind rush from outside the canopy - they were pointed at the ground going over 600 knots (above mach). The WSO (Capt Dennis White) died, but the pilot (Capt Brian Udell) survived with massive injuries. He holds the record for surviving the highest speed ejection from a US fighter. Here is a story from Airman magazine and here is the story from the horse's mouth - not for the squeamish. Here's a snippet from the less graphic text: Back to the topic at hand - I wasn't aware that LM contractors flew test aircraft. Anybody know the approximate ratio of active duty to civilian test pilots?

Sort of. They play crud with rules.

Her last login was 22 July (the day she started the thread). So you no longer are posting for her sake, but rather the sake of all that is good in the world.

I forwarded on the request for donations to the family of the F-15E aircrew KIA and several people to whom I sent it forwarded to folks on their list. Somewhere prior to the sixth degree of separation, somebody shot back the following to one of my family members - "when a man dies in combat his children are guaranteed college where ever they choose, (I believe) on the US government. I personally know of twins that went to college with XXX and XXX just told me of another family as well. So, this may really have happened, but this organization and credit card giving alarms me a bit." I'm 99.69 percent positive this is BS. SGLI is all we've got and seeing as how the AF is trying to Force Shape guys who lose their legs in AF medical buffoonery, I seriously doubt the military would be getting college educations for everybody KIA (can you imagine how much they would be spending for the Army?). Before I go nuclear on the originator of this message, has anybody here heard anything that would be remotely related to what this person thinks they're talking about?

Best idea yet. The simple fact is that they don't know what they don't know. The best way to enlighten them is to get them into our world.

You can also access AMS through AFPC. If you are looking for assignments for a specific airframe, the functional manager should comprise a listing of the upcoming assignments for the next VML. From Officer Assignments on AMS, select "Assignment Team" and choose your specific airframe. The F-15E functional has a Word document with everything from prerequisites for assignments to manning requirements.

I got a PM about changing display names. With the new board, it has changed slightly, so I'll post the info here. There is no longer a MY CONTROLS link at the top of the page, just a display with your user name and picture if you have one. Click on your name (not the white arrow next to it) and that should bring up a drop-down box. From the drop-down box and select "My Settings." On that page there is a column on the left side - the fourth one down is "Change Display Name"

Kalkos - this is your first and last warning - don't post shit like this again.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. How much experience/knowledge do you have with operational or strategic levels of effects? The death of individuals - with the exception of high value targets (presidents, military leaders, etc) is never the intent. Try some reading. We as aircrew do not target human beings except in defense (CAS) or HVTs. While the job of a soldier on the ground may be to risk his life to kill other soldiers, this is a small cog in the overall objectives. Much larger effects are achieved when we go after larger targets such as key nodes of infrastructure. So yes, a war/conflict does go somewhere when "machines blow up machines". Putting yourself in harms way does not make you a good leader. The ability to lead makes you a good leader. Those who have flown combat sorties in harms way versus those who have simply drilled holes in the sky can be simply a matter of poor timing. This makes no sense to me. In the sense of desensitizing, how does piloting a UAV from thousands of miles away differ from dropping a bomb at 20,000 feet? You're pushing a button, something is blowing up. We're not talking about hand-to-hand combat here. Still, you're missing the point. You're are almost never the one making the decision on who will die - you are given a target and you carry it out. It is not your job to question the validity or affect of that target - that has been run all the way up through the 4-star level and back down to you. Whether that it is done from a UAS or manned aircraft doesn't matter. Shack.

See what you've started acemom? I hope you're pleased with yourself.

On the subject of heinous CGOC emails, somebody gave me a great way to get your name taken off their email distro list. Apparently, he was on their distro and the CGOC president refused to remove his name (resulting in mass spam of CGOC events) because the pres felt that - as a fellow CGO, he was obligated to inform all CGOs of CGOC events. So one day he gets an email that details a CGOC get together in the club at 1700. 6-9 minutes later another CGOC email pops up and says that the club has a function at 1700 and the get-together will occur at 1730 6-9 minutes after another CGOC email pops up that says that the club function will not affect the CGOC function and the time is back to 1700. So this guy hits "Reply All" and writes, "Hey guys! Not gonna be able to make it tonight - I'm on the schedule to fly. Have a great time!" He waits 6-9 minutes, hits "Reply All" again and writes, "Hey guess what, my flight got cancelled and I'll be able to make it! See you all there!" He waits another 6-9 minutes, hits "Reply All" again and writes, "Oh bummer, they put me in a different sortie. Guess I'll have to catch you all another time." He sent another 3-4 messages in the same manner. Wouldn't you know it - next day he was off the distro list.

Minor point and Arabic lesson for the day: His last name actually shouldn't be "bin Laden", it would be "bin Usama/Osama". Conventional Arabic naming is a person's proper name (Saad, in this case) followed by their father's name (bin means "son of") and sometimes their father's father and father's father's father, etc. So Osama's dad's name was Laden, and his son Saad should be bin Osama. So if Michael Jackson converted to Islam, his son's name would be "Blanket bin Pedophile." Enjoy your useless trivia - and whatever his name was, good riddance.

Totally agree this looks like sarcasm or somebody using her email, but...if you're a big enough douche to be the president of the CGOC, you're probably a big enough douche to send this as a serious email. Seems odd coming from somebody who has a call sign "Vegas"

Awesome. Now make it your avatar and make them bounce. And for those who don't know, let me introduce you to acemom.

With the new forum, I've been able to pull together a bunch of general info on UPT that was scattered throughout the forum into an uber-thread on UPT. The intent of this thread is to provide info to the noob who has no idea what goes on at UPT. There are still some separate UPT-related threads out there, but I don't want to smash everything into a massive catch-all, so here are some separate links to issues within UPT - Preparing for UPT UPT Cross Countries Standups at UPT Bringing a spouse/girlfriend/family to UPT Hooking rides at UPT Reporting to UPT early Senior Ranking Officer at UPT UPT Sick Days (DNIF) Being treated poorly as a UPT student UPT Bases UPT Washout What's UPT like for wives? Doing well in UPT There are still plenty of UPT threads out there (searching for "UPT" in thread titles still yields four pages of threads), but these are the more common ones. Next noob that starts a UPT thread is gonna get brained.

Correct on both.

The movies are no worse than what you'd see in a magazine rack in a store (Maxim, Blender, etc). They may be suggestive, but they are not pornography. If you want an avatar with Chippendale's dancers, then have at it...I'm sure Bender can provide you with some.

Ditto on don't let it stop you. I hate heights - can't stand looking over cliffs or tall buildings. This does not in any way carry over to flying at high altitudes. Looking over a cliff while unrestrained at 500 feet is much more frightening than looking down from a glass cockpit in a safety harness at 30,000 feet. Don't worry about it.

"A few weeks after UPT" could mean anything. He might be sitting "casual" in the squadron he just left, he might be in IFF, he might be in FTU, he might be at the centrifuge, he might be at survival. Until you know where he's going and what AFPC has decided his schedule will be, I would hesitate to hard-schedule anything. It was the same story when I went through UPT over ten years ago and I'm sure it won't be much different ten years from now.

Douchebag shoe clerk. Brabus was spot on - just say "noted" if you don't know for sure whether they're right, and move on. If you're feeling particularly brave... Excellent point. Another manner of dealing with this would be to respond to the major's "mentoring" with a question in the form of what you just posed. Don't be rude, don't be confrontational, be genuinely inquisitive. A true shoe clerk will be able to bust out with the reg, page and paragraph (in which case you are unfortunately in the wrong). But if this person is just being an ass, you'd get a bunch of stammering and something to the effect of, "Well I know it's written somewhere." To which your response should be, "Well, this is my number and this is my email. I'd appreciate it if you could let me know what the reg is - I don't want to be knowingly going against an AF regulation." I bet you never hear from them again, and I bet they never pull that crap on anybody else.

You do realize that's Webster, and he's 38 years old?

This happened last time we changed the board topic - it basically dropped the trailing quote tag, which leaves the whole thing messed up. Baseops will have to look into it, but as far as I know the only way to fix it is to go into the threads and edit the text to add the missing quote tag.

Yup. I'd like to nut-punch every idiot that uses that stupid phrase, "We don't have a parking problem, we have a walking problem." Horseshit. Every douchebag that says this has his own parking spot. I say take away every reserved parking spot on base and it will become overwhelmingly obvious we have a parking problem.

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F***ing awesome.