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Shack for HD. My 2 main things that I brief before every flight that will determine how the EP is handled is 1)what the EP is and 2)what level of training the student is in. When my stud is pre-solo, the briefing is "I will take the aircraft." If they're toward the latter stages of the game, I'll let them handle alot of stuff, except for engine problems or flight control issues. If it's something that doesn't really affect how the jet flies (Nordo is the main one) then I have no problem letting an advanced student fly the jet(while I keep a VERY close eye on them). [ 11. December 2004, 22:58: Message edited by: ENJJPT IP ]

Done it many times, in a 70's version, with 4 adults, including once w/ 4 adults, 5/8 full gas tanks, on a grass strip that ends in Lake Texoma. No problems at all, unless maybe it was a really warm day, and the people were really fat.

M2, Did you guys also have wingman day recently? It was like a day off.....only without the day off. Oh well we had fun bowling at least.....

Actually, he'd be asking about F-16s.....isn't that right, Viperpilot670?? You know I'm just jealous that you're out in the "real" AF now!

Out of curiosity, what is min and emergency fuel in the T-6?

Gas-n-go's are no problem. For an overnight stop, there's a couple of factors you have to look at. 1)the FBO/airport must be secure enough to hold the jets...this entails some type of security, fences around the airport, and maybe even something else.....AETC puts out a website with a list of approved RON(Remain OverNight) sites. 2)You have to go somewhere where they have government billeting unless the squadron approves otherwise...usually they don't (at least for us). You can combine the 2 however.....for example we often go fly in Lakefront in New Orleans (a civil field), park the jets there and then drive over to a NSA New Orleans for billeting.

Here's my sales pitch for ENJJPT (does it need one?) Unless we're VERY far behind the timeline, we never fly on Sat during our x/c......in 37s or 38s...and the same about going to see family. I flew out-and-back in both 37s and 38s to eat lunch with my parents in one flight and my grandma in the other...good times!

Toro, did you make that up or do other people call them that?? That has to be one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time......

Yeah, but they have those nifty 6-blade props

I concur, Doctor. Do I hear a third? Perhaps their is a filter that baseops can start...if you post the word CAP on the board then your profile is deleted and your hard drive crashes! Getting so tired of these CAP posts......

Dude, don't post on things you know nothing about. It may not look difficult, but I'll bet you sure as hell can't do it yet. There's an load more to form than you may think. HD

And since it hasn't been said yet (I think) I'd just like to point out that it depends on what kind of formation flying you'd be doing. If you're just gonna get a few hundred feet from each other, I'd venture to say that almost ANY private pilot could do that by his/herself the first time they tried, and still find the experience enjoyable. However, if you were planning to do fingertip with 3 feet of wing clearance.........I'd recommend alot of altitude, no doors on the plane, and a parachute.

I was cross-country this weekend with a group of guys, and one of them is an ex C-model guy. We were discussing the merits of that plane and he told me that within a year the c models will start incorporating an air-to-ground role into their profile, albeit a very limited role at first while they catch up (presumably to Viper and Strike Eagle guys!). This makes sense (to me at least).....a strictly air-to-air role doesn't have that much use against the enemies we fight today (see the F/A-22), and the Eagle WAS originally designed to be a multi-role fighter (then along came the Viper). Anyone else heard anything else about this? [ 08. November 2004, 20:56: Message edited by: ENJJPT IP ]

Sweet! Thanks UPT-hopeful.

Anybody have this or know of a way I can get it?

Would that include my C-172? Anyways, there are some rules about this type of stuff. Your above scenario was quite common just a few years ago. FBOs would throw stuff at mil aircrew to get them to bring their jets back for Jet-A again and again. Free meals, booze, hotels, and promotional stuff like you wouldn't believe. Then some shoe clerk found out about it, complained that since they weren't getting that good deal, it ought to be illegal, so now it doesn't happen as much. There as still some good deals out there, but now instead of them being so out in the open, you have to either know of them or you have to ask the FBO staff. Or, thats what I've heard..... [ 29. October 2004, 22:11: Message edited by: ENJJPT IP ]

Do you want heavies or fighters? Heavies=leave it on. Fighters=tear it off.

Come on Gonads, don't be a dumba*s....... you know he meant "we can" as in we can wear it however we want.....for the life of me, I can't figure out why this post pops up (sts) every couple of months and why so many people out make such a big deal of of something so insignificant.....

Holy sh*t this has been one big CharlieFox with the water school being closed. I'm sitting up at Fairchild on Wednesday about 3 hours from graduation from land survival, thinking about going home and all that stuff, when an NCO walks in and announces that everyone who was scheduled to go to P'Cola in the next few months (I also was scheduled for the 4 Oct class) will be staying and attending Fairchilds water class on the next Monday and Tuesday, even though anyone with the potential of getting a parachute-ride down would still have to go to P'Cola..... needless to say, some of us were not too happy! They eventually got some it cleared up, but I know at least a few of them had to stay, one of them being a 135 guy on his way to MacDill... you should be able to get a waiver for it until P'Cola gets back on line though.

Although it might be different for a full-up fighter or a Herc, etc.... I've never had a problem being a little early or late with a PPR time, even though some places only give you + or - 30 minutes from your stated arrival time. Like I said though, it requires alot less support to turn a tweet that some of your bigger and more complex aircraft, so that might make a difference.

There is also a Viper RTU at Kelly Field (Lackland AFB). You can go to any of the 3, but you don't really get to pick...due to the small numbers that Springfield and Kelly put out(sts) you'll still probably go to Luke. We do IFF here at Sheppard as well, though most(but not all) of the people that go to IFF here go through UPT here. You'll go to the fuge a week or two after you graduate. As far as survival goes, you'll go whenever they can fit it in your schedule. At the latest, you could go after RTU, but most people go though it before or after IFF and before RTU.

Don't forget the 2 most popular: WHOLDS Weather Holding Obtain Clearance Letdown plate/lost comm review Descent Check Speed MAILMAN (a.k.a. NAILMOM, etc) Minimums Accomplish checks Inbound course/initial rate of descent Letdown plate/lost comm Missed Approach Altimeter Next Approach

For you AETC-types, the 5th (Monday) is the federally-recgonized holiday, and the 2nd (Friday) is an AETC "family-day." So, if you're an AETC-type, you should have a 4-day weekend off (Friday-Monday).

I had my instrument ticket before I showed up to pilot training. Although I understood instruments alot better initially and was even able to help explain some of the stuff to my bros, it doesn't really help that much as far as flying goes. I'd still get some instrument time if I had the $$, but otherwise I wouldn't sweat it.

Although the majority of our IFF studs did graduate from Sheppard, we still do see several of the grads from other bases that fly the A-model. Most of the ones that come here(sts) are FAIPs(for whatever reason), but now and then we get a handful of people fresh out of UPT.