14N Guy

Congrats! On the retirement, and the promotion, I guess. I think you are getting the better deal with the retirement.

Right, totally get it. Sorry, edited my post as your were responding to better flesh out my thoughts. I know I will never get an answer from AF leadership, but I would love to hear an explanation of their thought process on when they pass over folks that have been given a DP at any level for folks that have a P.

Isn't that what the MLR is for? So individuals at units that don't have enough eligibles for a DP have a chance at getting a DP? I get IPZ folks with a P getting selected, but I can't understand APZ folks with a DP not being selected over APZ folks with a P. It's all moot at this point, but it is just head scratching to me.

Just looked at the LAF-I board stats. 3 APZ DP's (IDE Complete) were not selected (9/12 eligible), but 5 APZ P's (IDE complete) were selected (5/186 eligible). Looking at all of the other boards, the same thing happened. So how does that make any sense at all? How does the board justify selecting any APZ P over any APZ DP, especially when they all have IDE complete? That is actually a serious question, because, if a DP is supposed to be a significant identifier, especially for APZ folks, how do you promote people that weren't awarded a DP over those that were?

according to my.af.mil, at 0900 CST.

Promotion statistics posted: Competitive Category CONS IPZ % SEL CONS APZ SEL % SEL OPERATIONS 605 480 79.3 589 35 5.9 PILOT 420 337 80.2 361 26 7.2 NAVIGATOR 130 103 79.2 172 8 4.7 AIR BATTLE MANAGER 55 40 72.7 56 1 1.8 NONRATED OPS 178 129 72.5 235 19 8.1 MISSION SUPPORT 479 380 79.3 431 32 7.4

Correct. He also went out of his way to get me a DP this time. I’m not upset, or anything, I’m just raising my eyebrow a little bit.

I found out on Friday through unofficial channels that I was not selected. It is what it is, unfortunately.

Quick update; 1550 day before official release and I still have not received official notification of my non-selection. Maybe tomorrow morning?

Tell me the system is still broken without telling me the system is still broken.

Does anybody know how much weight a DP actually gives your record to the board? Everything I’ve ever heard/been told is that a DP is a golden Beebee in all but the most extreme cases of adverse records. Does a DP add X points to your total board score? I guess what I don’t understand is how there is any justification for promoting any record with a P over a record with a DP (again, excluding records with negative indicators…but again, somebody gave them a DP so…)? I will be very interested in seeing the RAW data for this promotion because I know they always promote at least one APZ record with a P. So how would the board justify promoting a P APZ record and not a DP APZ record (not that any board will ever be held accountable for any decision they make)? Any insight is welcome because I don’t think I have ever received a clear explanation on what a DP really does for your board score.

I wouldn’t use any of us (if that’s what you are doing) as an indicator of you getting selected/not selected. I fully believe I didn’t get picked up for personal reasons, not professional reasons. Edit- to answer your question, I received an email saying I was selected for continuation and to talk with my Group leadership about the next steps. I signed the paperwork in my Gp/CD’s office a few days later. You should get the option of continuing to 20 or 24 years, but it isn’t an ADSC, just an option. I chose the 24 years but I am getting out in 24 months.

I agree that it is head scratching to not get selected after an MLR has already boarded your records. Last year (at least for my board), every single DP was selected for promotion. I do wish we would get a better explanation of the thought process behind scoring records than, “Well, sometimes it happens.”

Found out I was not selected. DP from the MLR as a 4x APZ. Board went against a BG(s) recommendation. It is a relief to know that I only have 24 months left in service. I am looking forward to finding an employer that actually wants me as part of the team and putting all my Air Force stuff in a box and forgetting about it. Best of luck to those still waiting to hear!

POTUS signed Juneteenth into law as a federal holiday that falls on 19 June. Since that is a Saturday, OPM announced that it will be observed Friday, 18 June.

Just bumping my own assessment #nailedit *I did miss the DepSecDef date, which was 8 Jun

O-5 board updated. Public release established as 23 Jun. I would assume notifications were supposed to start tomorrow and will get going in earnest on Monday. Edit: The results will be released 90~ days from the date the board adjourned (23 March to 23 June). I Don't think I have seen an O-5 board move that fast in 5 years I have been meeting them.

I wonder if tomorrow being a federal holiday will impact the notification timeline.

I think 2x passed over is your IPZ look and 1xAPZ look. Not sure what they will call it when they change to the 5 total looks...Maybe something like, "I'm on my X look for promotion"?

O-5 Board update: Reported into USD on 4 Jun. If it follows the last boards timeline (13 working days from USD (P&R) to public release), that would mean: DepSecDef: 4 or 7 Jun Public Release: 23 Jun (Wednesday) So notifications out between 18-22 June (that is a Friday to Tuesday)? Not sure when the list is sent to the Wings...If that timeline follows, should be next week, right? Sorry, no morale slide for this step-brief. *Note...I have no idea if it will follow the same timeline, but it looks like we should definitely know before the 4th of July weekend. Also, feel free to check my work/math in public, probably missed something.

O-5 Board updated again. Approved by SECAF on 25 May and reported into OSD on 27 May. If it follows last years timeline, public release should be end of June (29th maybe?).

The O-5 board has been updated. Air Staff approved it on 29 Apr 21. I am assuming SECAF will be this month, so maybe a late-June release? Hopefully it goes faster than last year. If not, I would guess results might not be released until late-July/early-August.

So I got my PRF back for the upcoming O-5 board. Keep in mind that I am a 4x APZ, but I got the following on my push line: #1/2 Eligible, #5/24 O-4's, Def Promote I also got a DP I checked last years stats and APZ, w/IDE complete, and a DP was 15/15 selected (for my board). But, it would be really on-brand for me to be the first ever (under the new board process) APZ w/DP to not get promoted. So that is what I am expecting. But, who knows.

This is actually pretty funny. My five most recent OPRs that met the most recent promo board were all from my time in Hawaii (those were actually my best OPRs in my career too...including a boarded position). Why do they even bother putting guidance like this out? The board never follows it. Looking forward to going back to Hawaii in a few years, after retirement, and getting that sweet GS job and not dealing with this stuff ever again!

Sorry to hear that, man.