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Recommend you also throw this analysis in to this thread on Airline Pilot Central: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/military/60658-should-i-stay.html There are a number of things that changed since I did that comparison in 2007...but the bottom line remains the same. Note that my analysis DID NOT include a job with a reserve unit in the "get out at 10 years" scenario, and that was intentional. That was based on some advice I received from a friend who was (is) flying for the Guard: Lots of good discussion (and alternate viewpoints) in these threads: Initial thread from 2007: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/military/14632-should-i-stay-should-i-go.html Similar discussion from 2010: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/54145-grass-greener-military-airlines.html

I've never even seen a result of this "developmental vector" at any time in my career.

I think that Jumper was in much the same vein as Fogleman.

That's right up there with ABMs who thought they should fill the 'Mission Commander' role on the MC-12Ws, too.

FENCE In means understand what the threat is and be prepared for it...be prepared to fight it, AS WELL AS accept the consequences of losing that fight. If you're emotionally prepared for the worst options, then you won't be caught off guard when the worst happens.

This shouldn't be news to ANYONE wearing a USAF uniform. Everyone should have understood that all contracts are 1-way (you have to abide by them, Uncle Sam can abrogate/change/revoke/modify at any time and in any manner) from the moment they put pen to paper on enlistment documentation. FENCE in and protect yourself.

Nothing to see here. It was all just a language barrier mix-up!

What timeframe would most of the non-continued O-4s we're talking about in this thread have to separate (in terms of calendar year, not years of service).

Ops checked as bad:

It's been tried countless times in every MAJCOM that I've been in. Yet, somehow when "that guy" leaves, it goes right on.

You do -- it's your rating and experience as a pilot. Dunno about you, but I didn't really study the pay chart that closely when I was hungry to join the AF and become a pilot. In fact, quite the opposite, at the time I knew very well that there were much more lucrative jobs as a civilian pilot...but that wasn't the motivator to join. I highly doubt that if you froze/reduced pay, there would be a significant decrease in the talent walking through the door. There will still be a long line of very motivated and capable people hungry to serve their country and have the opportunity to get the finest flying training and the opportunity to fly high performance iron. Ultimately, it's still 'the service', and none of us joined to get rich.

This was what I was getting at.

It was actually Testors that originally came out with the F-19 model in the late 80s...

Where in the military is a copilot called a "First Officer"?

What is a "First assignment FO"?

Just to set this straight, all it means is that he was assigned to a unit which received an AFOUA with Valor. Everyone who was at Al Udeid for the opening shots of OIF in spring '03 was awarded this -- they did not have to see any enemy action to wear it, since it was the Wing that it was awarded to. There's nothing deceptive or disingenuous in any way about his wearing of it.

Another great one from the line of thought that says, "if you can keep your queep straight, the tactics will take care of themselves."

Might as well pay up now, then. There ARE DFCs for merit. There ARE DFCs for heroism that do not have a V device (although a 2004-ish CSAF memo retroactively authorized these to have a V device). There ARE DFCs for valor that have a V device.

I would pay good $ to watch that Captain walk down Disney Drive at BAF and render that perfect, crisp salute 69 times, each way, on his way to the BX and back. Then I'd love to debrief his salutes at the end of that journey that were too 'dead fish'.

As much as I'd like to find some reason to make fun of the kid in that story, I can't. Quite the opposite. I'm proud to know that, regardless of how cynical I get about the Air Force sometimes, there are young GIs like him who will do the right thing when the time comes. Going out to fight on the line in PT gear with your M9?? Fuck yeah! Git Some! Helluva lot better than the guys in IBA and K-pots cowering under desks during the IDF attacks.

The AW forum just has a very low threshold for idiots, and they relish the opportunity to ban folks who march into that territory. It's quite a sport over there.

FWIW, this is part of the PM exchange I ended up having with Mouse regarding "the point" of IFF and his criticisms of the current program:

Too bad this isn't AirWarriors....else we'd see the "banhammer" out soon.

Originally, it was 3 (RND, CBM, SPS). In 2001, RND and CBM consolidated to VAD. The 2005 BRAC eliminated VAD, and returned the 49th to CBM, the 435th to RND, and opened up the 434th at DLF and the 3rd at END. That was a BRAC decision, not a USAF decision. There were LOTS of USAF people who opposed moving IFF from VAD, and who opposed opening up the two new squadrons -- but it had to be done, anyway.

Correct - overseas long tours do not reset the overseas short tour date.