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He's not talking about that happening today -- the bankings happened in the early 1990s, and that's the drop that he posted. Notice the C-141 and the KC-10 to Seymour as indications that's not exactly a recent UPT drop.

So, double-digit SAMs and Flankers are a figment of my imagination?

Both copy the 9-lines and coordinates. The lead WSO is the primary talker with the JTAC.

Uh huh. There's also a WSO in the jet who is not actively participating with flying formation who can look at the placard. Thanks for playing, though.

I believe the term you're looking for is "BLU-113" and "BLU-113/B".

Yeah, I'm sure that will remain on the forefront of my thoughts throughout the tactical portion of the sortie so that I'll be able to recall it 3 hours later when I'm precontact. I mean, it's not like I actually have anything else of importance to think about during that time.

Just for S and Gs, try finding and reading that thing while you're also flying in the precontact or contact position. Or at night. The last thing you want is one of your receivers going skulls-down for 10 seconds or so just to find that placard and decipher what the hell it says.

Laken-pain standard. Everybody was probably too busy doing their jobs to go watch a movie at the base theater.

This is officially the most retarded thread currently on BaseOps.

If you're wondering why people are commenting about your experience level, it's because of comments like this. I have seen plenty of pilots lose quals over screw ups. I have never seen (or heard of) an officer being "demoted" or having a "loss of rank" or loss of "privileges" over an in-flight incident. The other half of this that you seem to demonstrate a lack of understanding of is that there is a significant difference between a mistake and a crime. The AF flying community is very good about differentiating the difference between when someone makes a legitimate error, and when someone does something knowingly wrong. Most of the time when errors are made, there may be a minor slap on the wrist (like a grounding or loss of qual) and a penalty "mea culpa" in front of the squadron (also very handy in helping other pilots to not make the same mistake), but that's where it ends. I have seen this even when the "oops" resulted in a Class A (after the board has made it's ruling, of course).

YAAFM

Errrr, no.

Hopefully you are talking only specifically about OEF and post-2003 OIF.

This.

Unfortunately true. Guess you've gotta read the citations on those!

Yay! Somebody gets it!

Spoken like someone who has never had to actually do either. Yes, that's certainly the "book" answer, but there are actually some valid opportunities to use public humiliation, and it can be a very effective leadership tool. No, I never said this woman was a *good* leader. Not defending her act in any way. I just didn't see any direct evidence of that from the quotes provided in the article. It was all a bunch of crying about the harsh language she used when addressing people, and the fact that she got mean and threw things. Again, SFW. The point about having seen leadership shot in front of subordinates wasn't to display it as a shining example of leadership, more to point out that it is not a situation that leads to instant loss of credibility in front of subordinates.

Anyone who knows anything can instantly tell the score when they see a medal citation or on a uniform. If there's no "V" on it....

I am not such a whiny, sensitive, insecure punk that it would bother me, no. It's just words...so fucking what. I have seen my leadership be berated in front of me before for making mistakes. It didn't make me think any less of that leader, undermine their authority, or make me question any further orders or guidance I received from that leader...it made me just want to not be there because I was embarrassed for him.

There seem to be a lot of people who are butt-hurt because she used the f-bomb. Really? Isn't this the military? She doesn't sound like that fantastic of a leader, but most of what I see above sounds like a lot of whiny bitches.

Bullet: YAAFM.

Welcome back, Rainman.

Huge difference between "I want the experts in this situation" and "the other guys are f%cking clowns". There's nobody in any multirole airframe who is going to claim they're better at it than the "experts", ergo Hogs -- that's a given. Just like they won't claim that they're better at the air-to-air game than the light gray Eagle or Raptor. Besides, on that video he cites the reason he doesn't recommend Eagles as being because it's a "fast moving jet" anyway, which has nothing to do with the knowledge, capabilities, or TTPs of the trigger-pullers in the cockpit.

The problem is, everyone is bred to have a natural bias toward their own MDS because that is where they're brought up. They don't have the perspective to really know how good/bad another aircraft is at something...so it's natural to believe in broad generalizations that turn into intra-MDS sparring. I know several F-15E pilots who came from other airframes -- A-10s, F-15Cs, and F-16s -- who point out that the Strike Eagle is a great all-around multirole fighter, but aren't so quick to bash the capabilities of those other airframes. So, usually the people who hate on other airframes are the ones who don't really have any experience with those others (outside what they've heard at the bar and maybe seen from the outside during a Flag or some such). Ultimately it's just ignorance.

Drawing down the T-44 pipeline.