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What high horse? In a thread about a possible new Weapons School Graduate patch you help derail the thread into a conversation about wearing the flag instead of the patch. I would say it is you who is on a high horse with a separate agenda. I repeat...UGHH

Ugghh.

AF level, I believe it is actually the USAF Heraldry Office. When the divisions became squadrons, the rules changed.

Dear god, we really do have a reading comprehension problem on here. AGAIN, those were not grad patches. They were division patches for the folks that taught in that specialty at the school, an attempt to generate morale. The graduate patch is THE SAME AS IT EVER WAS....THERE WAS NEVER A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE IT!

The USAF historian systematically killed all of the division patches off.

Shack It is just an updated group patch to reflect all the current WICs, they do this every few years. The grad patch remains the same. Again, confusion on your part. The Weapons School is the equivalent of a group with for the most part each WIC having it's own squadron. Prior to 2000 each WIC was a division which led to a division or MWS patch that instructors wore on the right shoulder and the standard graduate patch on the left shoulder. Examples below;

Ignorance is bliss...got a link?

LOL...I heard that nonsense as a young LT.

Same thing happening here.

Lots of mentoring as a kid and some as a cadet, mostly by active duty guys that were friends of my old man. My very first boss was a Lt Col Navigator who should have been a general officer...phenomenal leader and a great mentor...after him, ZERO mentoring until I was a captain and I met Rainman. The guy literally put him giant claw on my shoulder and set me straight. Say what you want about his gruff persona, but he genuinely gives a damn. I've made it a point to mentor folks both in my current squadron and outside and I encourage everyone of you to mentor folks below you. There is no downside and you are paying it forward for the next generation. There is a dude on this board that I met when he was 13 and I did my best to help him through the years. I was at his college graduation and his graduation from UPT. There are numerous folks on this board that I have tried to help. Several of you have been over to the house to have dinner with my family,hell...Rocker and Murph even got to see my kid puke in a Mexican restaurant.

I saw something mesmerizing myself just a few seconds ago. It started out as two perfectly shaped round objects. They were covered by two hand-like mechanisms that were gently caressing the round objects in a synchronized clockwise and and counter clockwise movement. Obviously a sign of higher intelligence.

You wore him down...sts.

Perhaps the ultimate CRM + Leadership video.

Ladies, The past few months have seen some heated discussions from both sides of the aisle and tomorrow night we will likely know who the next president of the United States is. Let this serve as a reminder that after tomorrow, regardless of your opinion of the person elected, there are regulations that govern the military and comments on the Commander in Chief. As military members we give up some of our rights in order to serve as protectors of this great nation. I urge all of you to become A-Political tomorrow night and remember the oath you swore to protect and defend the constitution.

Don't really care for this digital crap, still prefer the Defensive Egg over all other art.

Story from California newspaper

Not so fast Steve...As a civ you are somewhat immune so if you want our picture posted in blues I think we need one of you in full Queen's Guard regalia.

My wife doesn't mind me taking her picture so I figured why not share...

What memo...details? Airstaff...Everyone???

What??? How long have you been here? With a name like "Vprdrvr69", I am guessing not very long... It sounds like your realtor has given you a line of crap. Navarre still has the best value and lowest cost per square foot in the tri-county area. Through 13 years of PCS' I have spent a lot of time in Navarre and love it. In my opinion, the only advantage Destin has is the night life...But I don't need to go to a bar everynight to find happiness. i would much rather hang with the family and get liquored up. As for beaches, have you even been to Navarre beach?.. How about Juanna's? I would purposely avoid many of the areas you mentioned unless I wanted an older house form the 70's with enough closet space to hang three things. As for schools...what fact do you base that on? Holley Navarre Middle School has the highest ranking in the state. And finally with regard to traffic, I live on the far west side of Navarre and it takes me 30 minutes to get home at peak traffic time. I get to work in 25 minutes int he morning. Destin traffic is an absolute mess. I don't know which orifice you pulled your analysis from, but it was plain wrong.

Loss, The USAF will most certainly NOT allow you to stop flying. Think of it from their perspective, they have invested millions in you, they have a ten year contract with you, they have already rerouted the careers of hundreds of other pilots to pay bills to DOD and AFSOC, and we simply don't have enough younger pilots right now. I heard a staggering figure the other day, the USAF bill to the UAV community over the next three years is something like 1100 pilots. We make fewer than 1000 per year, something has to give and until it does, every available body is going to be thrown into the fight. My guess is that if you go to your leadership they will at least listen to what you have to say, but you may be putting a ginormous UAS target right on the front of your nugget. That is not meant as a comment against the UAS community, there are some really good dudes over there eating a shit sandwich for the team, and it might not be a bad thing in your case. All of that being said, life is too short to be miserable. Others mentioned the chaplain which is an excellent source, even if you don't have a strong faith. USAF chaplains are trained counselors and they can help you work through a problem. Whatever you do I urged you to step away from the situation for a few days and think about it before you talk to leadership or start to cross a bridge you can't recross. This weekend is a long one for most of us and it may be a good opportunity to go away and do something unrelated to the military and flying, clear your skull and decompress a bit. Finally, I understand you are trying to keep it somewhat generic so as to protect your identity here. Your specific situation may have other contributing factors that you can't or don't want to share on the internet. If that is the case, feel free to PM me and I will be glad to talk details. Whatever happens, I wish you the best.

The US Naval Safety Center issued the following release for the incident - Mishap Date: 07/22/2008 Severity: A FM Time: 13:00 Evt Ser: 69798 Reference: VP-1 221300JUL08 Acft: P003C Count: Y Destroyed: N Major Command: COMNAVAIRPAC Custodian: VP-1 Fatalities: 0 Buno: 161331 Location: WHIDBEY ISLAND Summary: AIRCRAFT OVERSTRESSED DEPARTED CONTROLLED FLIGHT. Tuesday, 22 Jul 2008, a P-3 Orion from VP-1 was flying an approach to NAS Whidbey Island with the #1 engine in a simulated failure mode. At 160 KIAS, the #2 engine started to surge, so they had to chop power to it. As all this was happening, they were still decelerating, so by the time they added power to #3 and #4, they were at 122 knots, and in the dry terms of investigators, “departed controlled flight.” The P-3 did FIVE rotations in a flat spin, dropping 5500 feet, finally recovering between 50 and 200 feet AGL (above ground level), pulling a whopping 7 positive G’s on the airframe after sustaining 2.4 negative G’s in the spin. The rolling pullout burst 45 rivets on one wing, physically RIPPED the main spar, and bent the entire airframe… the crew could see INSIDE the fuel tanks of the wing. The P-3C that almost went into Puget Sound waters was from NAS Whidbey. It was a CPW-10 aircraft being operated by VP-1. Squadrons don’t own aircraft any more. The P-3 fleet has so deteriorated because of under-funding and over-use that there are less than 100 still flyable*. The P-3s belong to the wing and are “lent to the squadrons on an as-needed” basis. The mission was a NATOPS pilot check, with a CPW-10 pilot (LT) aboard, a VP-1 LT and LTJG, plus VP-1 aircrewmen that included two flight engineers. The bird was landed back at NASW. Max damage was sustained by the aircraft, including almost tearing off a wing. Aircraft BuNo 161331. At Whidbey, P-3C 161331 was doing a Functional Check Flight. They could see the inside of the fuel tanks when they landed. SDRS recorded the flaps being raised and the landing gear being cycled down and then back up. Aircraft released all the fuel in tank #3 when it appears that the seam between planks 3 and 4 split. Tank #4 also lost its fuel load when plank #1 separated from rest of the aircraft wing.

Were you flying Zimbabwe Airlines?