ClearedHot

Concur. The dude took his medicine and stood up to apologize. Let it go and we finish winners.

Baba Rand telling them to STFU. Out-Freaking-Standing!

From the Arizona Republic online..... A complaint post from a moron, and the reply: Complaint: Quote: A wake-up call from Luke's jets Jun. 23, 2005 12:00 AM "Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 a.m., a tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall, continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were they trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns' early-bird special? Any response would be appreciated." The reply is classic, and a testament to the professionalism and heroism of the folks in the armed services. The response: Quote: Regarding "A wake-up call from Luke's jets" (Letters, Thursday): On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four-ship of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the grave of Capt Jeremy Fresques. Capt. Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day. At 9 a.m. on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend. Based on the letter writer's recount of the flyby, and because of the jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave them their son's flag on behalf of the president of the United States and all those veterans and servicemen and women who understand the sacrifices they have endured. A four-ship flyby is a display of respect the Air Force pays to those who give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators and take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer witnessed was four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects. The letter writer asks, "Whom do we thank for the morning air show?" The 56th Fighter Wing will call for you, and forward your thanks to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their lives. Lt. Col. Scott Pleus CO 63rd Fighter Squadron Luke Air Force Base

My best golf story... While I was in UPT a few of buds who were IPs at Luke brought a four ship of Vipers down for a visit at Laughlin. One of the dudes managed to get his clubs in his travel pod. I guess he wanted to impress all of the UPT studs because he proceeded to come screaming up initial and when he went into a very hard break turn, his travel pod (and golf clubs), went flying off into the desert...it gets better. They left Launghlin with plans of making a few more stops on the west coast. One of the other dudes in the four ship had to take a leak so he unbuckled his lapbelt to get a little more leverage. That leverage resulted in the lapbelt bumping against the sidestick controller. End result he ejected and lost the aircraft trying to take a piss.

Based on what I saw happen in 1990, I would not push my start date under ANY circumstances.

Personally, I study the Ops limits and pretend my life depends on me knowing what I should about my weapons system.

I just finished a year at Quantico, if you need info PM me. -------------------------- Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were catholic.

I personally know of three pilots who upgraded to IP and transferred to the TII shortly thereafter to get experience in another AFSOC platform. All three have since tried to return to the gunship and none of them has been successful.

Won't happen... Tour tours in the TII and the mafia won't let you go.

We had a guy in my UPT class who was a 2LT and former Army warrant officer with senior wings and $650.00 a month flight pay when he showed up at UPT. You see a lot of that in the SOF helo community as Army folks move over to the USAF. [ 07. June 2005, 13:37: Message edited by: Clearedhot ]

Are they saying it out of habit or because they are required to by regulation?

I had a controller in Coco Beach wig out on me a few years back. I took a few new pilots down to Patrick and Cape Kennedy to get some approaches. On the first ILS into Patrick the controller gave me a vector that was going to put my student well inside the final approach fix before he ever intercepted the localizer, it was gross, (and it was not a windy day. The student was brand new to the airplane so I asked for a new vector to get him credit for the approach. The controller responded with the same vector. I called back and explained the situation to him and he got mad. He basically told me if I didn't like his vector I could go somewhere else. I then asked for his initials and he responded that he did not have to give to them to me. I was ready to parachute down to RAPCON and kill the guy. I kept thinking what if this was in the weather. I CNXed and went VFR to tower. While we did a few VFR patterns I asked the tower to figure out WTF was going on. After 15 minutes I picked up an IFR clearance to do an approach to the shuttle runway and when I switched freqs a different controller spoke up and said “ahh sir, the senior controller wants you to know the problem you had has been taken care of, would you like to follow up?” I was furious but I let it go. Anyone else ever have a problem like this?

Results... [ 21. May 2005, 22:09: Message edited by: Clearedhot ]

The folks in the back taking care of business Coming home the morning after the Talon II crash.

If you want a truely motivational speaker with links to the USAF there is none better than LIEUTENANT GENERAL RICHARD E. "TEX" BROWN III (USAF, RET). LTGen Brown is the son of a minister and he has a way with words that I will always remember. He is one of the most decorated pilots to live through Vietnam with three Silver Stars and Eight DFC's. He works for my father-in-law these days but he travels several times a month to do motivational speeches. If you need his contact info let me know and I will PM it to you. LtGen Tex Brown Bio [ 18. May 2005, 07:39: Message edited by: Clearedhot ]

JS, I did the Marine versions (SAW) and both schools issue all the books. Typical reading load is 300-400 pages a day. The schedule rotates, one week we have seminar from 0800-1230 on Mon, Wed, Fri. After class we spend the rest of the day and the entire next day reading. The next week we have seminar from 0830-1230 Tue and Thur. While it sounds like a lot of time off, you need it to complete the reading. They actually gave us a month long speed reading course. The seminars are limited to 12 students and most of them are outstanding. They bring in experts from various fields to lead the discussions. For example, we had several of the authors I posted on the booklist, Supreme Court Justice Antoine Scalia, Supreme Allied Commander Europe - General Jones, and a host of others. We also did several class trips to historic battlefields. Last fall we toured Virginia and covered the Civil War. In January we spent three weeks going through Italy and France, with a three day stop in Normandy. The spring trip was nine days in Vietnam with stops in Hanoi, Saigon, and Khe Sanh. The reading load is crushing at times, but you learn to skim and sort the wheat from the chaff very quickly. Overall it has been a great experience and I would highly recommend it, but I am glad it is almost over so I can get back to the real world.

Unforunately it not about the way you see it. It's about the way the press distorts it. Welcome to the military.

Here is a slightly different approach to professional reading. There are three advances schools available to Majors following inresidence programs like Air Command and Staff. The three programs are (USAF – School of Advanced Air and Space Studies, USA – School of Advanced Military Studies, and USMC School of Advanced Warfighting). Those selected will spend an additional year reading and studying historical and current topics related to strategy and campaign planning. Some of the themes we looked at this year (and things your seniors leaders want more fidelity on); insurgency, small wars, asymmetric fighting, information operations, joint/combines arms, compellence and cohersion theory, and future warfighting. Attached is a list of books we read the last two months. Some are great, others will make your eyes bleed. I found The Philippine War very interesting because of the insurgency themes that draw directly to the things we are seeing in Iraq today. Also, Palestine and the Arab Israeli Conflict is a good read that takes the Israeli/Palestinian issue from it’s origin through today. If anyone wants the complete list for SAW (231 books, I can’t believe I read that many in one year), PM me and I will send it. Linn, Brian M-The Philippine War Linn, Brian M-Guardians of Empire Miller, Edward S-War Plan Orange Morton, Louis-The Fall of the Philippines Morton, Louis-Strategy and Command: The First Two Years Crowl, Philip-Campaign in the Marianas Isley and Crowl-U.S. Marines and Amphibious War Morison, Samuel-The Two Ocean War Shaw, Nalty and Turnbladh-History of the U.S.Marine Corps Operations in WWII, Volume III Central Pacific Drive Cannon, M.Hamlin-Leyte: The Return to the Philippines Garand and Strobridge-History of the U.S.Marine Corps Operations in WWII, Volume IV Western Pacific Operations Smith, Robert Ross-Triumph in the Philippines Willoughby and Prange-Reports of General MacArthur, Volume I, The Campaign of MacArthur in the Pacific Blumenson, Martin-Salerno to Cassino Harrison, Gordon A-Cross-Channel Attack Hughes, Thomas-Overlord: General Pete Quesada and the Triumph of Tactical Air Power in WWII Van Creveld and Canby-Air Power and Maneuver Warfare General Staff-Reports of General MacArthur, Volume I, Supplement Friedman, Thomas-From Beirut to Jerusalem Herzog, Chaim-The Arab Israeli Wars Smith, Charles D-Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict United Nations-Blue Helmets Gordon and Trainor-The General's War Keaney and Cohen-Gulf War Air Power Survey Summary Report Swain, Richard M-Lucky War Allard, Kenneth-Somalia Operations Lyons, Terrence and Samatar, Ahmed I-Somalia - State Collapse, Multilateral Intervention, and Strategies for Political Reconstruction Seiple, Chris-The U.S. Military/NGO Relationship in Humanitarian Interventions Appleman, Roy E-South to the Naktong, North to the Yalu Mossman, Billy C-Ebb & Flow: November 1950-July1951 Schnabel, James F-Policy and Direction: The First Year Colling, Benjamin F-Close Air Support Davidson, Philip B-Vietnam at War: The History, 1946-1975 Shultz, Richard H-The Secret War Against Hanoi Simpson, Howard-Dien Bien Phu: The Epic Battle America Forgot Tilford,-Setup: What the Air Force Did in Vietnam and Why Trullinger, James-Village at War Blumenson, Martin-Breakout and Pursuit Blumenson, Martin-The Battle of the Generals De Puy, William-Changing an Army Doubler, Michael D-Busting the Bocage Useem, Michael-Leading Up Coles and Weinberg-Civil Affairs: Soldiers Become Governors Ziemke, Earl F-The U.S. Army in the Occupation of Germany 1944-1946 Slim-Defeat into Victory Clarke and Smith-Riviera to the Rhine Marr, Phebe-History of Iraq Greenberg, Lawrence-The Hukbalahap Insurrection

Concur.

Are there really people that think like this? I can't speak for the airlift or tanker folks, but in AFSOC 12 hour days are the norm when you are flying the line. Typical Gunship IP day follows; 1300 - 1330 Show 30 minutes before student to review training record and plan training events for sortie. 1330 - 1430 Ground training session with students. 1430 - 1530 Brief crew on mission profile, training events, munitions loads, range times, etc. 1530 - 1545 Wx brief, file flight plan, step to the airplane. 1600 - 1700 Start engines, taxi to Hot Cargo, upload munitions, continue ground training students. 1700 - 2200 Fly mission, live fire, dry fire, ECM range/threat maneuvers, aerial refueling, approaches. 2200 - 2300 Debrief maintenance/file command post report/complete 781/complete training events log. 2300 - 0001 Debrief crew/mission. 0001-0100 Debrief Student/ground training session. 0100 -? Complete student training folder/checkride forms. 0130 - 0200 Cheat death on Hwy 98 driving home. Most IPs fly four times a week and many go through periods flying five days a week.

All AFSOC patches except the American Flag are subdued.

Isn't is funny how Hanoi Jane and Robert Mcnamara have come out with books and movies trying to show remorse. It is so fake it makes me want to vomit. My old man cheated death through three F-4 tours in Vietnam while that beaoch posed on AAA pieces. Pardon my language, but that filthy whore can rot in hell.

You really are confused, perhaps you are more suited for the Navy...

Obviously you didn't read what I wrote so let me make it clear....FSU SUCKS, Miami Rules.............SCOREBOARD. That being said, even though I am a UM grad...I still married an FSU grad. lets leave it at this........anyone but the Gators.

I just lost all respect for you....wait I did't have it to start with. GO CANES!