Gravedigger

There is a crossflow board for missileers to send them to new career fields after their first missile tour. Very few senior captains and FGOs are needed in the 13N career field. They used to send almost all of these people to space assignments. That made no sense, and the AFSCs are completely split now, so they convene a board a few times a year to find these folks new homes. Rumor is that 18U is being added to the current list of 12 possible AFSCs they crossflow to. No packages are submitted to this board, so you could wind up flying RPAs without having to compete in a flying board. Thus, a great opportunity for missileers. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

It's been covered before, but there is a big difference between TIB and the Air Force band. The Air Force band exists because military bands have existed for thousands of years and are necessary for ceremonial purposes and formal functions. They are all excellent musicians and do a great job IMHO. TIB on the other hand is a cluster of counter-productive jazz-handing sissies that contribute nothing to our service. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Exactly. That's the other huge benefit of promoting based on AFSC. Each community decides what is important to them. A pilot most likely doesn't need an AAD going up for major, but a 62E with a Masters is a lot more versatile and has more assignment opportunities, and is therefore more useful to the career field. For their promotion boards, AAD and acquisition code/level would be big factors. For almost every other AFSC, both of those mean very little. Additionally, things that should transcend AFSC often do not. For example, in the flying world, going to WIC is extremely competitive and selective, in space ops, it's not. At my last base, the only 4 people that wanted to go to WIC were mediocre at best, but since nobody else wanted to go, they all went. Don't get me wrong, some really great dudes go to WIC, but all of them were great dudes before going. Finally, by promoting by AFSC, you lessen the need for force management measures in higher ranks. If pilot manning is falling because airlines are hiring, make promotion for pilots 100%. If nobody is leaving a career field which could lead to a future surplus, drop it to 80%. It's really not that complicated. Although, I'm sure we would find a way to make it so. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Liquid I'm with everything you are saying except I would alter the rated vs non-rated promotion board idea. I think that works well for the Navy, but the Air Force is much more unique WRT career fields. In the rated vs. non-rated scheme, you still have non-rated ops competing against support, and within support, very few AFSCs speak the same language. A space ops officer that goes through IQT/MQT, takes evals that result in Q1/Q2/Q3, moves to OSS/OGV and gets a K or Q prefix, and has ops bullets looks a lot more like a pilot on paper than a force support officer. A 61S, 62E, and 63A might look alike, but compared to MSG-type AFSCs, they might as well be in another service. In my opinion, the solution is to base promotions on career fields. Not all promotion rates need to be the same either. It would be based on sustainment needs for each AFSC. School selection would be sustainment based as well. For example, CROs/STOs might have 97% promotion, and 10% school. But it would be the CRO/STO senior leaders selecting these individuals. It would be sort of like an MLR, except each AFSC, or group of closely related AFSCs, would be responsible for filling the quota they are given by HAF.Pilots compete for promotion and school only against other pilots. I hear Senior Officers say that they can read any OPR from any AFSC and make an informed assessment. That holds true for the very top and very bottom, but it's complete bullshit for the area that really matters. The gray area is what board members actually need to understand, and that gray area is vastly different across the Air Force. Who better to sort that out than senior leaders from that specific AFSC? We already do this for JAG, MSC, Chaplain...it's time to expand. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Dudes, I'm trying to help you out. Straight from CSAF and A1, do not do correspondence if you still have eligibility to go in-residence. SOS will be 5 weeks starting in the Fall to accommodate more classes. You won't even be able to register for correspondence unless you are at 7 years and can't go in-residence. If your Wings haven't gotten this guidance yet, have them call the NAF/MAJCOM/HAF. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

"Stop doing SOS in correspondence, unless you are past the window to go in-residence." - Gen Welsh and Lt Gen Cox Also, I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

She probably realized she has no chance at being a legitimate actress. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Apple app is great, thanks DFRESH. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

They also take our cyber awareness CBT...through our networks.

What's wrong with the Air Force? Has anyone taken the new Risk Management Fundamentals CBT or any of the other new CBTs that you cannot click through (yet won't let you leave running)? FUCK!

LOL, Air Force pilots are calling themselves operators now? You must be in AFSOC...

Check out this motha fucka! Possibly the truest words ever posted to this forum. Second only to the whorish tendencies of BQZip's mom.

All of you are retarded. Any CAP pilot could be trained to effectively employ Spec Ops fighters within a month.

My group commander issued a challenge for mustache march and used a picture of himself with a mega stache-goatee combo. I agree TarHeelPilot, GOs directly contradicting the CSAF makes absolutely no sense Where do they find these asshats?

Nice pic! In the the last 70 years the ratio of people watching vs. working has gone from 1:1 to at least 6:1.

You're crazy. List the best bases in the Air Force, I'll bet you13S's are there. List the worst bases; we don't go there. Our three bad bases are Thule, Clear and Cavalier. Only a few people go to those places, and it's only for 1-2 years. ETA: The irony of posting how good we've got it in the What's wrong with the Air Force thread isn't lost on me.

Nicely done, I completely thought this was real, until I got to the last line. In AFSPC, $5M gets you nothing. Ask for $5M and people will look at you like Dr. Evil. Make it $5B instead.

The 13S culture is too immature to really define. There are definitely some people that wanted to be pilots and didn't make the cut; I would say they are less than 10% of the CGOs and usually leave after their first tour. Our biggest problem for years was the cross flow of missileers. Through no fault of their own, they would come to space jobs after their missile tours with no knowledge of space and zero credibility and then be put into leadership positions simply because of their rank. For the ones that put missiles behind them and were willing to learn, the transition was fine. For the ones that tried to make space fit into the rigid missile structure, the lives of everyone working for them sucked, and the mission suffered. Now missiles is completely separate except for a handful of transfers, and our assignments have been converted to 3 years to ensure 3 ops tours before making major and moving to staff. The leadership is focused on building experts in mission areas that can come back to lead later on and actually know what the hell is happening. One of the biggest issues facing space ops is what jobs are for officers and what jobs are for enlisted. Currently, we have A1Cs doing literally the exact same job as senior captains. We have SrA in OSS and OGV training and evaluating Captains. The ratio of Os to Es in most space squadrons is close to 1:1. Something's going to give, this model isn't sustainable. At the end of the day, most 13S are very satisfied with the career field. The work is interesting. We have by far the best basing options of any AFSC. Deployments are voluntary. Our ops centers are very nice. We don't wear reflective belts. We don't have any Chiefs to Chief us. The few we have in the wing have much more important things to do. When I quit pilot training, I was really worried about going to 13S; now, I'm happy to be here and wouldn't want to change.

Wow, that is quite the setup you've got there!

Word. When I was working a crew schedule and had EPRs/OPRs/whatever to sign on my days off, I would happily pull out my laptop and spend 10 minutes signing and checking email rather than drive 30 minutes each way to base and then get sucked in to other shit from people seeing me around the squadron. My work email use at home gave me much more free time. I'm also able to take care of all of my PCS stuff from home whenever I move and it's a million times easier because I already have everything saved on my computer to upload. CAC reader for personal computer is a necessity IMHO.

Dear God, these thread revivals are like traveling back in time. Hard to believe I started this thread a decade ago. From punkass cadet to jaded Captain, it's been a good 10 years BODN! Cheers! Oh yeah....C-21s...

Still no. Space Ops has both 13S and 1C6 training in the same squadron, and for some satellite systems enlisted and officer can be in the same class. We had a first-term Airman in my class; he was the only E in a group with 4 Captains and 8 Lts. He had to live in the dorms and follow first-term Airman rules there, but in class he was just another student. For the officers, we were treated as any other permanent party on base. If we had to miss class for a medical appointment we set up, so be it. Somebody needs to unfuck Goodfellow quick-like. It's just going to breed more dumbasses that think this shit is acceptable when they move up in rank.

I don't think this is an AETC-wide issue. Some of the stuff posted here is unbelievable. I think the 29B's might be an AETC-wide thing, but certainly the enforcement is different. We had to fill them out in Space IQT when we were going farther than 250 miles, and only if you were under 26. We went to LA or San Francisco all the time and never had a problem. My biggest complaint in IQT was having to wear Air Force PTUs once a week for squadron PT. Everyone was treated like an adult, absolutely nothing extra-curricular was mandatory. It was honeslty about as laid back and care-free as my casual time at Columbus. Why the fuck are people wearing reflective belts CONUS? ETA: We did have to take off our morale patches while I was in IQT (we wore bags then), because the AETC reg forbade them. The AFSPC reg at the time authorized them, but AETC leaders came for a visit and squashed that.

Her kids are big fans of aviation, so she went out and got her PPL and bought a Cirrus to take them flying. With Zamporini's SoCal roots and aviation aspect of the story, I think it's probably something she's genuinely interested in. Let's hope she does it justice. Great book/story.

Would this be the same rated leadership that bans morale patches and Friday shirts, requires reflective belt wear and empowers chiefs to parade around as uniform police? Not sure that will help.