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Judging by the profile of those I've known get rif'd the last time, any kind of uif in your record, or current personality clash with your current cc, and you're prob right fucked. On the plus side, getting RIF'd could be the best thing to happen for your personal life, as I've seen a RIF guy going from getting the pink slip to turning around and scoring an AGR gig and receive the pilot bonus three years ahead of his normal eligibility year, which also means he gets to keep his invol sep pay in retirement. Talk about #winning #FuckBlue. For those with the motivation, provided they're good dudes and they're getting the boot for wrong place wrong time type actions by unfavorable cc's, the ARC is waiting to absorb them so they can end up where they probably were going to be much more vocationally happy in the first place. Same goes for those looking for airline jobs, the ARC network is better than active duty IMO. Merry Christmas and remember, if you do everything with the honest internalization that everything ends, life is a hell of a lot more liberating.

Yep, jest aside, you just called the emperor naked.

Add navs with a criminal justice degree to that list...

I think we all agree that from a qualitative point of view, PIT adds nothing. I'm sure people currently loving the hell out of a San Antonio duty station would scream bloody murder and fight that notion, but if you ask the rank and file at UPT, nobody has anything positive to say about the place. That's not a dig against the dudes, but let's face it. The program is pretty mickey mouse.

Man that is a fucking shaft for the new hire FERS employees. I can only imagine what a newly pinned on O-3 would act like if he was told his deductions are going up to the tune of 4.4% for the same benefit, effective right meow. It would make a T-37 sound like a soft whisper in the wind.

The irony.

Nah. That's not grandfathering. That's straight up fucking you, and at least for me, it would incentivize me to pull an immediate curtailment out of the AGR program and into the airlines or an ART position, where I can continue to earn a full time-paycheck while I wait for the retirement annuity to kick in. For AD, it would mean a mass exodus which would absolutely require stop loss to avert. It would be a panic. It ain't gonna happen that way. The way these things usually get rolled, if civil service is any indication (specifically the CSRS-to-FERS transition), is that they shaft the new hire into the new system. They won't have the political capital to change it for someone already in. I'm not trying to be an aloof polyanna but I don't see them straight-fuckin the current batch into a Reserve retirement payout date system while mid-career. I'm personally not worried.

Nah, Academy chicks...oh shit that might as well be dudes. Unregard.

FWIW not every ROTC kid is on a scholarship.

Based on the responder's comments, it seems the justification behind taking away incentive pay stems from the idea that there are people on the outside lining up to perform these specialty AFSC/MOS. The problem with that logic is that the main complaint on the part of the members already in is their inability to be allowed to perform said duty as a preponderance of their time in the service. Put another way, *gasp* ....the AF sucks the fun out of it. So you need money to keep experience, in order to gain the discretion to mismanage said experience. Epic. Here's an alternate scenario. How 'bout let people do their job til they're blue in the face and not fuck with them when they're at home. Nah, that would just be too fucking Burger King for the likes of senior leadership. Ah fuck it. Do something til it stops making sense to you and your family, or you get fired. Works for me. Y'all already did more than 99% of the pedestrians out there. /choirpreach

Vocational frustration as a result of a mission of admitted "perennial political posturing" burning people out? QOL detractors related to an intolerable location not only having marked historic retention problems but also a documented tendency to literally make you punch your wife more often than your peers in Florida? Um....Is senior AF leadership fucking new? The only thing that raises an eyebrow for me is that they needed to pay RAND to find this out. Whynot Minot... You could poll the entire Buff community in the Spring of 2008 and find similar tone and sources of causation for the god damn Trail of tears the community was [and is]. True story: academic instructor stands up on day one of academics and the first thing he asks the room was : "raise your hand if you put this assignment as your first choice out of UPT...". I almost started a golf clap, I couldn't believe someone went there on the first fucking day of school. UFB....(and yes, no one raised their hand.) They [leadership] want to keep dismissing the moronically obvious rational incentives that drive human behavior? Well, they'll keep getting what they pay for. Shit I ought to apply to RAND, that looks like an easy way to make six figures spouting what the base gate A1C could have told you for free....

Right, because Guard babies are the reason AD Lite has become it's own cancer....

What a bunch of cocksuckers eh? This is the shit why I'm so glad I never went Active Duty. I've seen it done to my AD peers, and I know I wouldn't have lasted 6-9 years in RegAF. All those bullshit non-AFSC REMF-laden deployments would have cured me from serving. And just like in your experience, I've seen it happen on the AETC side, which was supposed to be the spool-down make-bang-bang with the wife/girlfriend time for these folks. Now it's the god damn 'transpo pool' for miscellaneous 179s to nowhere. Fuck that. I tell those guys all the time, for the opportunity cost of losing 15 years (on average) of an annuity payout, you can skip over to the reserves and/or civil service and recoup the time served benefit at 60, and gain an incredible improvement in quality of life while focusing on the motivation that made you join in the first place: FLY. Anytime I'm feeling scoffed by AD-Lite shenanigans in the AFRC I mosey over to this thread and fast-cage back to wings level.

I know. It would be epic. "So Captain, stand up and tell us about yourself...." LOL

That architectural identity crisis has always been a defining part of the Air Force. The problem is as you suggest, the peacetime leadership's misguided attempt at providing the shoe a sense of belonging by chastising the trigger puller. In a true peer fight the shoe gets told to stfu. But this decade isn't gonna be it. As such it's the decade for corporate managers with an underlying testosterone deficiency to rule for a while. Remember the rule of life: it's all timing and luck in this life. There is no justice. Ill keep flying until they sideline me or fire me. Then ill go so something else. Fuck em.

Speak for yourself. I want the govt promise thank you very much. If I wanted a diluted retirement that I can't self fund after cost of living, I'd work for the airlines with a lot less bullshit. Look, I know what you're saying. You want partial vesting because the proposition of staying to 20 is as secure as a baby fart during tornado season. But anybody who thinks you can get a 50 pct retirement in 30 years by doing a hands off contribution to some Miley mouse 401k on what they pay you these days is smoking glue. They'll never pay me wages to account for self funding, so fuck that concession. Now, you give me a B fund where the employer is te one who makes the contributions as a percentage of my pay grade, then hell yeah knock yourself out. But you're not touching my paycheck, otherwise that's a huge paycut and fuck I can do that at Olive Garden all by myself. Besides. The proposition of recouping my active duty points on the civil service is not beneath me. I'd lick stamps with a smile at the post office for 5 years and get the whole god damn thing back. Never mind I can double dip at 60 on the reserve side. Where there's a will there's a way. Fuck 401ks

Fuck, we're there. I'm already off base, off duty, off uniform, SOP. Nothing good ever comes out of sponsoring host wing functions or socializing of any kind on base, which my family already boycotts by default.. See how that unintended consequences bit works? Just doing my 9-5 jerb, boss..... Drinking or socializing inside the fence, are y'all fucking new? LOL Now let's all sing the NEW Air Force Song everybody! Sure got a catchy tune to it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-gqMpZroy8 Workin' 9 to 5 What a way to a livin' Barely gettin' by it's all takin' and no givin'...............

So what's your point?

Don't sweat the 3 to 1 business. Nobody's keeping track of that ch$t...besides, most everybody goes to 20 good years. It's a no-brainer for a TR with airline aspirations. If it gets too painful there's always a better location you can roll over to in order to make the min run palatable. Best part-time job in the world, if money's not an object.

Community dependent. As a generality? Perhaps a bit naive, yes.

Yep, bullshit Q-3s. Another reason this job's in the toilet. Do the fighter guys mutilate their their young's FEF like this too, or is this a heavy thing?

Ouch bra'..kick a man when he's down.... :D

Hell, I feel like an expat already, working and living in Del Rio.....Can't wait for the chance to move back home to bona fide America.

You're not looking at it from an economics and rational incentives perspective. It's dirt simple actually. As to count 1? Cannon. As to count 2? Navs. And strike two on ACC. It's not at ACC; it's at AFGSC that the big refugee camp takes place. If you need the rational incentives flowchart for those two counts explained, you're thinking too hard.

This goddamn job has turned into such a bait-n-switch. Timing and luck.. you nemesis of mine! This is what happens when you base your vocational aspirations on information off fuckin' 1980s military-themed movies....I shoulda been a dentist. fvck.