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Don't look now, but you just described every fvcking airline pilot I've ever worked with. Talk about schemers, grey collar workers is the demographic bullseye of that remark my friend. 😄

Maybe it's the written format on the forums, that makes inflection/tone difficult to put together. Apologies if I misread the incorrect inflection. Yeah my question was merely posted in the interest of keeping the conversation going for everybody; though I was genuinely interested in your perspective, since I know you're closer to the CAF than most on here. No worries though, I copy loud and clear you're not willing to discuss further. Cheers 🍺

I really don't think he meant anything by it Huggy, no need for the notch/auto-chaff. I know this sub-sector of the hobby is close to your vest. Back to the point, the question I would pose is: would the airboss' actions, especially the audible to shackle show lanes while co-altitude with both elements flying trail internally, be considered "customary" to the organization and/or other airbosses writ large? I think that is a point of exploration that can shine a light on accepted practices, inside or outside CAF. One that could also lead to potential re-evaluation or tightening, in the furtherance of safety. It may be too late for all we know, but that will be for the regulators and the insurance market to adjudicate, as I've pointed out in the past. I continue to hold my position that to home-on-jam on Hutain's individual execution within this audible, is reductive to a fault. But that's just one man's opinion. Everybody stay safe out there. 🤙

Not at all what i said, ill leave ya to your usual strawmen. I'm not advocating for regAF by daring to make a critical comment about 121 work rules on this regAF-hating echo chamber. I'm not even regAF, and my career lifetime paycut (indexed to a job I've never intended to pursue as primary payer mind you) has been a matter of public record for 17 years now. Theres really no need for that whataboutism. Tbh, if you've tactically vol-mildropped or vol-mloa at any point in your 121 stint, you aren't really in a position to get defensive about JA et al existing in your cba. i dont care how crappy the work pay ratio is at .mil either, as people recognize pay is not the feature behind chasing mildrop or MLOA. if JA isn't a real threat at DL, that's excellent news. It shouldn't be at all at any outfit paying top 10% US individual income; which was my actual point, before it got strawmanned to hell. BL it's reality at swa though, based on what i witness at work (plurality swa cohort). I just find it a bit unbecoming one has to feign sickness or hide behind the Uniform in order to not be treated like a sonic carhop 5 minutes late to a $11/hr shift. Frankly id take the 11 bucks in lieu of 220, if they threw in not treating me like i didnt just flew 150 people and brought everything back in one piece. But that's my "future retiree" privilege talking, which I of course wont apologize for and fully own. To each their own as we say. Back to lurking mode on this one. Happy new year!

I used to think JA (or equivalent terminology) was only an FFD carrier dynamic. Do all airlines effectively have JA work provisions? Kinda smears the glitter off the airline humblebrag about days off....

occams razor fellas.... Your assumption of the problem is inaccurate, your suggestions are thus moot. To wit, we dont have a shortage of IPs in AETC. RegAf mismanages their bodies on qweep, but lack of bodies we do not have, for the status quo production. The point of replacing us green suiters with blue suiters is straight up DoD wanting to short labor costs, especially legacy costs such as retirement and VA ratings. They cant scale it because the offer has to be miserly in the first place. The air force wont dare staff their core production on majority airline aspirant civilians either, highly elastic to airline hiring conditions. Thats the point of the ADSC on the green side in the first place. Theyve done it historically on the mx side and the blunders have been repetitive and evident. The engine issues on the t38 are the latest example of that reliance on civilian hands with little recourse. Maybe they can take a page from swa DEN ground chief, on how to threaten civilians back to work in a sellers market lol. At any rate, the only remaining cohort left is the retirees who dont want to do the airlines/91k, stacking a non-ART base rate GS on top of a green retirement. But without the first payer retirement it doesnt pencil out for the majority who are not in the jelly of the month club, especially in Del rio (did my 7 years consecutive, before the one regaf vml cycle apologist comes to tell me iT aiNt dUht bAd). Thats why it aint scaling, and it wont. There's just not that many weirdo birds of that condition willing to sunset in the upt locales for what they can get at a sim outfit in a big city with nice suburbs or exurbs, if homesteading is the hangup. And your assumption on mil appropriations for aetc is also erroneous. We throw loads of mpa to those who want it in the associate side of upt units. We already carry an outsized per capita share of the production load, leverage which quite literally justifies our yearly survival going forward. The problem is the planning offered for long tours is impractical for airline guys. Typical regaf stupidity. Offer 365 carte blanche on october 10, when in the summer of the prior fiscal they told you not to bank on any mpa for the upcoming fiscal. Then act surprised you have no takers wiling to upend their family lives on command. Absent the usual suspect outliers (e.g. airline guy with kids divorced from upt townie and that late 30s female mid life crisis that seems to be going around military marriages as of late, sticking to a year long mpa to save on the kids child support on nights away basis, while notching the "best job in the world" ....for a 4th year in a row....digress), theres just not enough volume there on the fringes. I appreciate this might seem like a cool retirement hobby for the second career crowd, but this program wont scale. And for full disclosure, for the sake of my ability to complete my active duty retirement i hope it continues to die on the vine. Im certainly not going to cheerlead for my own paycut. We're all rent seekers in this life, cast ye first stone, and that goes especially so for civilian defense contractors. Happy holidays ya filthy animals.

Yup. The provisions are tiered and wildly varying depending on the sub-group in question (ART, AGR, TR [DSG as you title32 poors call it 😄 ]).

2.7 last year and 4.6 this year.... FTX-peddling Jesus, that's a two year stuffing up the six. Good thing the wife re-joined the skilled workforce earlier in the year, that's about the only way I'm "keeping up" with inflation these days. Groceries/sundries are circa +25% annualized YoY for me. I checked with the Amex over 12 months revolving, couldn't believe it at first. The other part that sucks is that there's no way I can ever afford to move. 2.25% fixed... means I'm gonna die in this copy/paste suburban tract shitbox, cuz housing left the affordable station behind where my W-2 is still navel-gazing like a CR washout fucko awaiting adsep. 😄 Bonus don't affect my retirement cashflow; basic rates being shorted like this otoh, fundamentally does. Just like in the airlines, soft pay potato is such a red herring it ain't even funny.

Pilots antagonized by occupational peers they deem clout whores? Shocker. Ain't that like, Tuesday in a fighter squadron? Don't answer that. 😄 #rhetorical

Looks like a B-2 redux, which is to say, that thing looks DFFM [dee'-fem] (e.g. doesn't f*ckin fly much). T-38a non-PMP TOLD in RCA in the summer is skkkkkkketch. 😄

I sympathize with the sentiment, it must be difficult to hear public scrutiny of people one is close to. That is why, and I include myself in it as someone who chooses to opine publicly about it, one must take everything written in social media with a grain of salt, and attempt to separate objective criticism from the personal chaff. Easier said than done of course. I can tell you my in-person exchanges with folks close to CAF down here in TX have been cordial, even if disagreements have arisen. As such, I give much lower stock to the reflexive vitriol online, I don't think it's representative of how people are IRL, fwiw. Cheers.

Yes to the naked nepotism angle. Nah to the neophyte argument; he wasn't that new. But that matters not (to me). His decision to audible that horrendously boneheaded in-trail, lanes shackle without defined vertical stacks, that was terrible, and fateful. As is the allegation by the NTSB that the brief had no vertical stacking between formation tracks. The fact nobody involved called KIO, especially mustang lead, is frustrating to me. I have a theory of the case, but it deals with organizational culture and perverse incentives. Topics which I've mostly debated with folks offline and in person who share ramp space and mx providers at some of the airfields and chapters in question (C and S TX in my personal interactions, since I'm based down here). The thin-blue line reactions online just quickly grow toxic and vitriolic. One invariably offends some people too close to the proverbial vest by merely daring to debate the merits of the organization. It's very much a "my family's got a bunch of shitheads; I'm allowed to say that, you're not " type of ingroup/outgroup thing. *yawn* At any rate, imho it was the decision to audible that nonsense which was more causal than contributory to the collision. The individual execution error on the part of Hutain I find much less interesting. That's just my opinion. Neither I nor the white knights, are the FAA. Which will be the ultimate authority on whether CAF keeps their revenue lanes open and accessible, and by extension the 501c3 salaried shtick going. To say nothing of the insurance angle which I've already spoken of previously. So we'll just have to see what comes of it. I just wanted to clarify I don't particularly find Hutain's execution error a salient takeaway in this whole thing, nor the most impactful aspect of this accident, counterintuitive as it may be for some.

Was that before or after the T-1 divestment got frozen by congresscritter X at the 11th hour? If the quoted is true, it sure doesn't look like it has been communicated to AFRC. We got a pretty big footprint on that enterprise; I'd think we would have been sending folks shopping for new units due to divestment already (T-38 ADAIR for example, and those guys had a lot more lead time). That's gonna be interesting for our group. We'll probably capture a few to T-6 re-cat, but there's a lot of folks who'll probably try to retire or go desk/IMA/cat-E, especially over going back to a grey heavy with the usual TDY impositions. Interesting times indeed.

Well, they're not playing very nice right now with their oil antics and the Russian shenanigans of 2022, so we're back to rubbing elbows with the Venezuelans. A good thing too from where I sit. A transactional alliance I prefer 6 days of the week and twice on Sunday. Of course, as a Caribbean Rim native, they're brothers from another mother, so I note my bias. Having to partake in flight training the Saudis has been the hardest Faustian bargain within my indentured service, fortunately I was never faced with an invol oconus duty involving those fuckos, forcing me to show my cards. *knocks on wood*

A 20 year UFT RSC (Guard/Res)? Sure, I can see that preserving accessions traction. A 20 yr UFT ADSC? No chance that'd gain any traction.

I was referring to base pay inflation parity, when referencing the last two FY NDAAs. But sure, add AvB inflation adjustment to the wish in one hand shit on the other collection plate while we're at it. --brk brk-- Said it a dozen times but I'll say it again. The USAF can and will always play run the clock offense. Certainly much better than the airlines ever could. I mean what are we going on, 209 pages and almost two decades of this thread? No bonus improvement of consequence. If you need another decade to figure out where you stand vis a vis the AF offense playbook....

Frankly I find the failure of two FY NDAAs in a row to address inflation parity, a bigger source of retention woes than the bonus offering, going forward.

Big optical illusion. Wreckage was closer to hitting traffic on the freeway, than aircraft on the runway. In fairness, that too is a good thing in that it didn't do the former either btw. Otherwise it truly would be good night irene for the volunteer-dependent experimental carve out warbird flying outfits. I'd put money on that, knowing what does and doesn't make the FAA pick up their one-hammer-all-nails, petty functionary asses from up their banker's hour GS-13 desks. Some folks on the inside baseball side of this dumpster fire of a hobby, fear the plan that has been mulled for decades, i.e that of imposing de facto part 135 impositions on these experimental-ETP letter outfits, may finally materialize as a result of this mess. Which as I've already pointed out, would be exit right for everybody involved, as volunteer-dependent organizations with little in the way of insurance self-sufficiency otherwise. In non-airline land, insurance rules the roost, not the FAA.

Flying B-17s were already on legal palliative care due to insurance unavailability. Even this being the fault of the cobra pilot, it might put the final nail in the coffin of a lot of these larger experimental-exhibition-carve out relics. Just like Kobe and the 737 max, when it comes to insurance for GA, we all get to wear diapers when one shits their pants. The second debris landed on a public high-throughput freeway, that's when I knew this wasn't going to be just another seasonal black eye for the sector. This one might be worse in the aggregate than the Collings one, mainly due to the crash footprint, time will tell.

OP username checks. Slapped down like one too.

About time, that claptrap's been a jobs program damn near since Gorbachev screwed the pooch by letting the cat out of the bag with glasnost anyways. I'd have rather had an RWR upfront, and take the extra gas with the weight savings of not one, but 2 less Nosa fvckos onboard. No dog in the fight any longer thankfully, so I digress.

given a bunch of 'em russian fuckos got mad radiation poisoning/ARS at Chernobyl months back by digging up/kicking up the hell out of the Red Forest, my guess is they'll do just as well with their little false flag operation. The world would stand to gain by finding a bullet to the head of that KGB megalomaniac and his authoritarian swan song. slava ukraini.

lulz.