Clark Griswold

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If the T-6 is getting longish in the tooth and they want a single trainer in the AF to earn wings in then why not switch to the PC-21 for UPT? More capable than a T-6 but cheaper than the T-7 GA training for basics, throw money at it to get quality CFIIs ($150k+ a year with longevity bonuses), PPC to AMEL training w/instruments PC-21 syllabus focused on acro, form and mission training (comms, timing, procedures, etc). Mo’ power and performance but affordable enough to run 1500 studs x 60 hours T-7 for IFF, Aggressor, T-birds and ANG light fighter program / FMS T-6s transitions sts to an RPA companion training aircraft program, RPA pilot training program, staff flying program, utility aircraft Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My guess is after this as yet hypothetical GA aircraft training phase and on to the T-7 there would be a sim and FTD to build up the synapses for fast jet experience, I don't know this for a fact but the T-7 probably has more reasonable speeds than the 38 with larger, modern wings, fly by wire and such for transition from descent to approach / pattern speeds. Will it rage all the time at 300 KIAS going from A to B below 10k, maybe but methinks it can go slower than the Talon and unless higher than required speeds are used as a stress inducer it will be in the pattern in the 200+ something like a T-45 is my guess. That's faster for sure than a GA but probably not a bridge too far for most. I see your point that GA is slow pitch softball and there about to start getting 75+ mph pitches but at some point they gotta jump in the deep end. Truth. As an airline guy but retired now if you got a base at or at a reasonable driving distance from ATL, CLT, DFW, IAH, PHX, DEN, MIA, etc... you would get the ARC to man this with zero issues but you would need an equal or greater exchange of missions / jobs for those bases you mentioned... my unsolicited suggestions would be to put bombers back at CBM and an RPA / AFSOC mission DLF, END not sure but if king for a day I'd put two aggressor squadrons there with a GCI unit, call it good.

Yeah that’s a good point but if they’re going public eventually with that as a proposal then I think there’s hope how much is debatable This really is not crazy but the devil is in the details likely My two cents: 100+ hours for PPC with instruments 20+ hours for ME with x-ctry tng 30+ hours for acro, form and spin/upset recovery T-7 for 50+ hours Graduate Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I guess I’ll flip my script then… if it happens with enough hours I’ll order a big hot plate of crow and eat heartily Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

General aviation trainer to T-7 for all studs? As long as you get enough hours in either phase that can work Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Pennywise pound foolish AF… The answer is so obvious

I get it, the AF has 69 other issues but this is more important than it seems, it’s not just training officers to fly but training, evaluating and forming the mind set of who will be the leaders of the AF, if we phone it in for AMC, AFSOC, part of AFGSC, AETC as I guess some of these T-6 only studs will be FAIPs we need not be surprised when as we push thru the mass of studs thru this process, some of which will not be like the hand picked strong swimmers for these small group try outs, the likely problems we encounter Why is the Navy not giving up on an advanced ME trainer? The Army for their fixed wing qual is not cutting back hours. Why are the mins staying in place for ATP and other civ tickets? Even though they have more access to more and likely better advanced training devices, because flight hours matter, getting thru multiple phases of training matter, proving your skills in at least two different platforms matters Choir preaching and I know you understand the problem of half assing things If we really are this behind and don’t have the money then contract everything but a T-6 program to figure out who’s going single seat or crew. Get the big flight training programs like UND, ER, All ATPs, etc… close 1 of the SUPT bases, you’ll either save X millions and still get a better product than T-6 only or kick the hornets nest for Congress to come up with supplemental funds or allow the AF to divest programs to fund I’m all for out of the container ideas to do it better or be additive to UPT ref the program the Lt attended but ultimately it is about a year of training, X hours of flight and simulator training and academics, no matter how much advanced tech we throw at it, the studs today are about the same as the studs of the past in terms of intelligence and skills, they’re going to absorb it at about the same rate and you’re gonna need to observe them going thru about the same number of events to see if they’re who you want flying AF iron, we can teach a bit faster individual tasks but the overall building of airmanship still requires that time in the air Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah it might be just that but here we are. So we’re behind in production, fix it by making more of the same product not by cutting corners Choir preaching but we have the resources just not the leadership But if the Bobs are not gonna do the right thing then if a dude is going to a heavy guard / reserve unit, then to relieve pressure off the existing system, I could see those studs going to a different program with contract instructors, GA training aircraft and then winging. -PPL with instruments in a C-172 with G1000 glass -Acro & form program in an Extra 300 -ME training program in a Piper Seminole -Modest top off program with a Cessna Citation, type rating course at Flight Safety with 10-15 flights in leased aircraft None of the iron or facilities owned by the AF, almost all of it done by contractors and you could pay for it thru O&M. Run this program for 5 years while trying to unfornicate the situation SUPT is in (no T-1 replacement, T-7 late, T-6s need upgrade, etc…) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Follow on question What was AFSOC’s input to this? Did they echo AMC? Also, I wonder if this is just another effect of 23+ year GWOT repetitive ops particularly in the heavy community where it was the same deployment, same tracks, same arrivals, etc… in a permissive environment Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If only you weren’t so right… You gotta fight or post on BO . net… like the US Navy “reevaluation” of their basic SWO training programs after two ship collisions, it will take something probably to convince the Bobs Funny how I was thinking about this jumpseating home yesterday, the crew was young but sharp, on descent they trapped an error on approach, I think the FO had been flying the CRJ for a year he said and the CA I think for 4 years, now would in a situation with a dude with only the equivalent of T-6 only been able to back up his CA and trap the error? Maybe but methinks chance favors the prepared or well trained Anyway, to hell with T-6 only direct to FTU…

Yeah but I’m describing it to persuade that SES, CODEL, HAF staffer lurking in this thread that the insane COA being proposed is just that insane I’m not sure if MAF GOs have Stockholm syndrome and are just trying to placate the ACC GOs but this is fundamentally insane An institution principally built around manned flying aircraft and the aircrew that fly them is trying to lessen the actual flying training for the pilots that fly billions of dollars of planes and thousands of lives and the fleet of aircraft that make us different than any other Air Force in the world, our global air expeditionary capability Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Yup I know it’d be a large system to produce that many grads per year but the money is there just not the belief amongst the GOs apparently that flight time actually matters, funny how the FAA does with the 1500 hour rule… Yes I know the AF doesn’t have the B model but it should and I rant on… 3-4 bases across the SW to SE USA, maybe at existing USAF or Joint Bases, instruct & fly their asses off to get students produced then send to the SUPT program, consolidate that to two bases and put the ME program at the remaining third, T-7s have 2 locations at existing ACC bases to fly their syllabus in proximity and if worth it with MWS at those bases in certain phases Where’s the AFA on this? Why aren’t they criticizing this bull fertilizer? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not opposed to a contractor taught section(s) of flight instruction but not the primary or phase used for evaluation of pilot skill, leadership and track selection A longer phase in GA trainers to get a PPL, Instrument and initial experience with formation IMHO would save money and fatigue life on the military primary trainer offsetting the cost of a longer contractor led basic flight training program About 100-120 hours pre SUPT then attend a 6-8 month T-6B program to focus on acro, formation, modest cross country & low level phases and a mission phase (a simplified mission integration phase to plan and execute multiple timing, comms & maneuvers problems with different players and formations in an exercise area). Track select after that. T-7 or ME Commercial training program or an AF T-54 program to get a multi engine qual (20-25 hours). Graduate and go forth. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What? No primary trainer or no training done by military or both? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Before I fly off the top rope with a folding chair… so the Redbird sim program is cancelled and then did the T-1 get a reprieve? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yup, just like Europe they skip countries where benefits / jobs are scarce I’m all for states / countries / cities / individuals voluntarily funding asylum seekers if they want with said asylum seekers given geographically restricted temporary visas with states / counties / cities not interested in that being able to bar / arrest / remove said asylum seekers if they leave the confines of their visa but we would have to still have federalism in practice to have that and we’ve been foolishly centralizing political power since the 30’s Just as we have LOAC but we still apply violence to achieve national security objectives we should apply force to prevent / remove illegal aliens but not have some mercy on some people truly in need of asylum I’m for coming up with a plan as this problem of people fleeing poverty / dysfunction is only likely to get worse and it’s NOT our sole responsibility amongst the wealthy and developed nations to absorb millions upon millions of people, we can take some but not nearly as many as the Left / Globalists imply we should We either figure out how to get to something sustainable and realistic or as the situation gets worse we will get someone who will take matters further than we want Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah I know like Raul replaced Fidel These regimes like the Kim dynasty are unfortunately resilient as they’ve got patrons (China, Russia) and have figured out a balance of taking to reward supporters to get them to intimidate the remaining population but not enough to coalesce a legitimate capable threat to them My point is to have a policy to encourage that change in their societies by not being a relief valve but still dealing humanely with those arriving at our borders who we should help, and this being explicitly stated No worries Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Concur on a basic level your point in whose responsibility is it to fix failing/dysfunctional systems but the reality is Maduro and his regime aren’t going anywhere anytime soon so a policy that minimizes the pull while reasonably dealing with the push causing them to wind up asking for asylum seems reasonable I’d be good with only women with children in their custody if the child is genetically proven to be that woman’s child / children as a priority / only allowed group Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just in time for the election here, if Maduro “wins” then expect a building movement of Venezuelans applying for asylum https://dnyuz.com/2024/07/18/losing-hope-venezuelans-vow-to-leave-their-country-if-maduro-wins/ I’m fairly hard line on illegal immigration and skeptical of asylum claims but I see this being a case where it’s not asylum in the traditional sense but respite / refuge from a failing state. I’m not for necessarily a mass waiver to allow automatic entry but a national discussion then policy to have a plan, not holding my breath…

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He hit the carjacker in the mouth with a four shot burst, not bad reaction shooting IMHO. That dude used 8 of his lives surviving that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk