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This thread exists. The shoe clerks are winning.

This is a good thread revival. I've been curious. How do state side units do offstation mission evals? Is it just an out and back? I know that here at the 36th out dudes get good training because we have a good trickle of REPATs SAAMs and JAATT going to Korea, Thailand, Kadena, the Philippines etc. Usually we've been able to at least send our OME dudes to Kadena for an overnight trainer or SAAM. Do the stateside bases have good SAAMs or JAATT that actually challenge the offstation mission planning abilities of these new guys?

Are 2 of the barrels missing, or did they just not get blown out like there rest?

So does the pilot still apply brakes on the gear up landing roll?

I've got to agree with the navalization of the air force acronymnoly. It's just setting the stage for McXXXX to be the Sec Def. Be afraid. RANT SWITCH - ON I'm a career guy. At least I want to be. But the way shit is going, I'm thinking Netjets or Southwest look awefully good right now. I'll say it. I hate the spineless, bureaucratic, promotionally minded leadership in the AF and DOD that is doing this crap. Can the Air Force PLEASE get back to flying, fighting, and winning in Air and Space? Forget this name changing, uniform nazi, comm nerd Air Force. I'm sick of it. The AIR FORCE is all about AIR POWER...hence the name. If your job doesn't involve flying and you're in the air force, you are there to help get planes in the air in some form or fashion. Be proud of that! Do your job, look up and see the 4 ship in the break overhead and smile. You helped that happen. Are you a warrior? NO! But you helped warriors...be proud of that. If you fancy yourself a warrior...the PJs, CCT, Marines, and Army are all waiting for you. Why can't the leadership of the Air Force just say that? Because they're worried about hurting someones feeling. Some warrior mentality that is. We are the US military. We break things and kill people better than anyone else in the world...and we're worried about hurting our troops feelings...give me a break. I am not a warrior. I am aggressive, determined, and willing to kill people for my country, but that's not my job right now. I'm content with that. I take warriors to the fight, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get that job done. I do not need a commander to tell me that I'm a warrior. I do not need catchy phrases and responsive chants to get me modivated. If you need that stuff to get modivated about what you do...you do not belong in the military and most definitely not the Air Force. Can someone please forward those notions directly to the whole specrum of Air Force leaderships. I'd appreciate it. :banghead: :banghead: RANT SWITCH - OFF

Don't play the so-to-speak game. Only a few people will get it and it'll just make you look like an immature ass in front of your Es. Don't wear a shirt that says: "I'm a viper pilot who the fvck are you?" That ended poorly for one not so bright guy in my class. Don't get excited. Just keep cool and you'll be just fine. If you get excited, so will everyone who's watching you for guidance.

Why not take it to the next level though. You know the AF will. I won't be surprised to see a parachuting and water survival refresher CBT to replace the actual exercise of the hanging harness and the pool/lake. If you ask me, the places that the AF tries to save money are equivalent to KC-135 airspeeds: Ludicrous. They could retire old broken airplanes that take more money to keep flying than it would cost to buy new ones....nope They could get rid of all the excessive legs flown by airlift aircraft by simply listening to aircraft commander's inputs...nope They could hold payment to contractors until goods and services that are late are actually delivered...nope Instead they cut critical jobs and training, buy more expensive toys, and then put LTs in charge of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars at the end of the fiscal year. Yeah...better get rid of those parachutes... Give me a break.

Sure! Hell. Why not do it AF wide? The CBT will have all of four lines of text. - JUMP OUT - PULL D-HANDLE - TURN ON RADIO - CRY LIKE SCOTT O'GRADY Why would you have to know what to do with that stuff on the end of the 20ft line attached to you...or the stuff in the vest you left on the plane. Someone else will take care of it! Maybe we can save enough money to buy the F-22 a mission in the war on terror.

What are the bank angle limitations on airliners like that? I'm guessing that's the limitation that keeps them in a crab all the way to the runway as opposed to the standard upwind-wing-down-top-rudder-approach on short final.

I'm gunna guess you don't fly airplanes that are large enough to have significant weight changes. disgruntled shacked it. The heavier the airplane will always require more distance to loose the same amount of altitude as a lighter airplane (in theory, the heavier airplane has a lower VVI than the lighter airplane) In reality, it's not the VVI you're concerned with. It's the VVI compared to the ground speed that you want to worry about. In my mind, it's a simple concervation of energy problem. Assumptions: - higher induced drag created by need for more lift to compensate for the heavier load onboard Heavy is degligable (at least in a herk) - same config, airspeed, and piloting techniques Heavy and Light fly throught the same air with roughly the same coeff of drag. But Heavy has more potential energy than Light does. Therefore, if they are burning that energy at roughly the same rate, it will take a longer time for Heavy to discipate its energy. Additionally, Heavy has greater momentum, requiring more energy discipation as well. Grain of salt: I'm a history major so there are probably errors in my physics logic. However, I'm also a herk driver who has done enough Pen-Ds to know what he's talking about. BL: Experience and the 1-1 tell you that a heavier airplane will take a longer distance and time to get down.

You certainly do know a lot about the life and food of those cheese eat'n surrender monkeys...a little TOO much...

If that's a chick then I'm a blimp folder. Seriously, I've seen better post-op examples in the gutters of Thailand. Yikes

Is right! How does this happen! How does someone like this actually make General for crying out loud!

So I hear a lot of people talking about the lack of "real life experience" or all the "gayness" that's associated with the academy. How many of you guys actually went there? Anyone? That's what I thought. Back on topic... Did any of you guys have to opportunity to work for this woman? Is she really as much of a wack job as she seems?

I disagree. I think that if you find yourself in a fair fight, your leadership has fucked up... ...and the Lord know's THAT'S not happening these days...

Consider the source. Looking at the bio, I'm not really surprised by a policy that has no real common sense or acknowledgement of reality. Warrior ethos my ass. This policy is just more proof: If you seek out all the the staff jobs, you will be promoted, regardless of leadership ability or combat focus. The Academy is a great institution that provides a lot of opportunities for kids with a lot of potental. But shitty leadership can (and often does) take all that potential and flush it right down the toilet. Sad. P.S. Has anyone worked under her(sts?)? Care to shed some light?

Heard yesterday at Cope Tiger after a go around due to a dog on the runway. Pilot: "Tower, be advised there is a dog on the runway." Udon Tower: "Approved as requested!" What language barrier?

Less talking more posters!

Bendy'd hit it.

I'm going to have to disagree with you bob. The desert just displays the opposite side of the spectrum. Common sense should govern the regs. Thug retards who curse at old people are on one end, dickweeds that think sock regs help win a war are on the other end. They're both equally stupid. They're both people that don't have basic reasoning skills or any understanding of common courtesy. I'm glad to hear that this thug got slammed in front of his peers and chain of command for that bomber sited. I think making everyone continue to wear diapers would be incorrect though...but that's what will probably happen...because that the same logic that leads desert first sergeants to jack up aircrew for not wearing reflective belts indoors.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wing King briefing on this at bases around the theater. I've seen more than our fair share of thugs roaming around here in Japan. The one thing that absolutely kills me is this perception that when you're in the military you have all these rights. I'm not sure what they're doing at Basic Training these days, but after basic I was happy to have the freedom to walk were I wanted to, not to mention speak when I wanted to. I definitely got the idea that the military had a master hold on my rights and that I had submitted most of my individualism to something bigger than myself. It seems like today's average airman seems to think that there is a manditory level of respect that they MUST be treated with, otherwise they'll run GPS direct to MEO. That's one problem. But, what kills me is seeing an A1C or and Amn blatently disrepecting an officer or worse, an NCO without even the slightest hesitation and then receiving no reproach whatsoever. The weight of that falls squarely on the officers and NCOs who don't want to be "uncool" by enforcing good order and discipline. Anyone else think we could use a little more "Military" in our military?

Who cares if you look fat! What we're all really wanting to know is: Do they come with filet-o-fish hideaway pockets?

You would not believe the stupidity I've seen out of idiot shoes with regards to transfer cases. It pisses me off how little respect the average airman has for fallen soldiers. I've actually had an Army troop commander bring some moron airman up to me after a flight in the box. Apparently Amn Retard tried to prop up his feet on a flag covered transfer case on my airplane ("I've got a bad knee...sir"). The Army Sergeant Major didn't take too kindly to that. Amn Retard was returning on my plane to base X and I got the pleasure of talking to his supervisor when I had to get my CAC pin reset the next day (Amn Retard was NOT happy to see me show up at his office). Capt Computer Shoe was entirely clueless and didn't understand my conspicuous frustration. Some people should never be in the military. Ugh.

That picture of bendy was taken shortly before he found this: