HeloDude

So the OG/CC won’t be there since he’s an ABM…

Well, your arguments are usually weak, so I wasn’t expecting this one to be much different.

So I’m confused…should businesses have to bake the cake or not? Since someone can go to a different bakery…

I’m not saying it would have been much different with Trump, but this is laughable: From the Pentagon Spokesperson: “He said Afghanistan's capacity and capabilities included a "very capable" Air Force and "very sophisticated" special forces that can help defend the country from the Taliban resurgence.” Seriously, who are they trying to fool? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/taliban-afghanistan-us-troop-withdrawal-pentagon-john-kirby?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR3P9imd2vIg5-1OlY_ZVmdBcjyNO9Do6V8RdZ5YEsRbyBicZ8EpxyVKZeQ

If I’m a betting man, then my money is on the Taliban. If the Taliban wasn’t defeated with us being there and actively engaging, I don’t see any way the Afghan government/military will defeat the Taliban. I’m the end, the Taliban wants it more.

President Biden: “We can be value added, but the Afghans are going to have to be able to do it themselves with the Air Force they have.” Also: He claimed the Afghan military fields a force of 300,000 that is "as well equipped as any army in the world, an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban." Behold, Afghanistan’s Air Force: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/afghan-pilots-assassinated-by-taliban-us-withdraws-2021-07-09/

I do enjoy it when people compare military healthcare (as a part of compensation for military service) to taxpayer funded healthcare to those just because they have a pulse. So are you legitimately wanting to have a discussion about military/retiree healthcare or is your post due to my back and forth with Prozac regarding taxpayer funded welfare? If it’s the former, we can probably have that conversation on a different thread. The only reason I mentioned taxpayer funded healthcare is because Prozac brought it up wrt covid.

Sure do! Let me know when we can all stop working and receive free health care! You know…because that will equate to making life better for all people!

I agree—get the government completely out of paying for healthcare. Can’t afford your care, plenty fo charities willing to help out. Something tells me you’re not willing to not allow the government to take my wealth in order to care for someone else…

The Nav joke was bc Pawman made the comment to something like “here’s a pilot who thinks they know more than medical professionals”. And I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to make a Nav joke when he gave me the opportunity. As for you being a fighter pilot, that’s cool I guess, but no, it doesn’t matter to me. But thanks for your service.

You’re missing the point—I don’t think I need the vaccine, based on the data. My parents thought they did and I supported their decision. If you think you needed it, awesome—I hope you were able to get it (I imagine you are). This is the type of data that led me to my decision: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/494670-ninety-six-percent-of-inmates-in-four-state-prisons-who-tested-positive

Here are some examples of your “trust”… The Federal Government: The CDC: https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/502890-fauci-why-the-public-wasnt-told-to-wear-masks The NIH: https://www.foxnews.com/media/rand-paul-dr-fauci-lied-congress-china-virus-research The FDA: The same FDA which hasn’t given full approval to the vaccine and only has approved it under emergency authorization? Which is why I’m assuming the military hasn’t required it’s members to take the shot? https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/03/01/military-may-revisit-making-covid-19-vaccines-mandatory-after-fda-grants-approval.html The vaccine manufacturers: Wait, so we’re now believing everything big pharma says and does? https://newrepublic.com/article/153864/innovation-drug-price-myth State governments: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cuomo-lied-and-now-we-know-it/ar-BB1ddSqr The WHO: A tweet from the World Health Organization, January 14: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in Wuhan, China.” https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/who-does-who-trust/ Medical professionals: https://www.wsj.com/articles/health-care-workers-say-protests-are-vital-despite-coronavirus-risks-11591790600 As for medical folks on an X-Ray, fortunately my brother literally didn’t trust an initial prognosis after a skiing accident in which x-rays didn’t show any breaks…a week later he went to a sports fitness doctor and was in surgery a few days later. If you’re not willing to get another opinion on things that concern you/doesn’t sound right, then that’s your call. My problem with you and others isn’t what you do or don’t do with your own lives, it’s that you negatively judge and put down others who don’t agree with you or see things the same way. I’m literally fine with people getting the covid shot and also fine with people not getting it. I also most definitely believe that for the vast majority of people who aren’t old and/or don’t have any underlining health issues that they’ll be just fine if they get covid. So if those same people don’t feel comfortable getting an experimental vaccine, then why insult them? And if you think people are killing grandma or whatever and still believe the WHO, then I’m assuming you’re still wearing as mask wherever you go? And if you blindly trust the government bureaucrats and politicians (yes, even if you’re on their payroll—don’t forget, we’re just the help), then I can’t help you. I have family who literally believed everything Obama and his administration said, and also have family who believed everything Trump and his administration said…fortunately I’m not in either group.

The difference between me and others is that I support people making their own decisions on what’s best for them…do you?

Nah, it just shows the hypocrisy of you and others. You pick and choose info/advice from medical professionals and then get mad when others do the same. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Says the Nav who would intentionally seek out those not wearing a mask who haven’t had the shot and issue punishment under Article 15… Or am I just “trolling you”? Even though you didn’t even comment on the substance of the article I just posted… Let me know when you agree with the medical professionals and start wearing a mask again everywhere you go.

Let me know when all those who have had their covid shots suddenly are back to believing they need to wear masks and practice social distancing…you know, because it’s what the medical professionals say. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccinated-people-to-continue-to-wear-masks-as-variant-spreads.html If you don’t support people doing what they believe is right for themselves but at the same time are picking and choosing what you do vs what medical professionals want you to do, then you’re the problem.

The same medical professionals (1K of them) who said that the anti-lockdown protests were dangerous due to the spread of covid but the protests after the Floyd shooting was ok because it was for a better cause? (see link below). https://www.wsj.com/articles/health-care-workers-say-protests-are-vital-despite-coronavirus-risks-11591790600 The covid pandemic has been heavily politicized from the very start by both sides…but one side was all about using the virus to increase government control and reduce individual liberties all in the name of saving lives…and then gave a pass when it suited their agenda or their own personal lives (let me know if you or others want more examples). So when it comes to the mask wear and the vaccine, it should be up the individual, and that should be respected. My parents got the shot and I support their decision, and likewise I have a lot of friends who don’t think they need it and/or don’t feel comfortable with taking a vaccine that isn’t FDA approved and only authorized under emergency status, and that is also fine. Yet we have some on this forum who still believe you’re killing your neighbor if you don’t get the shot or don’t wear a mask—and that’s the problem. By the way, if people who have had the covid shot can still get covid, as well as still transmit covid/infect others, then why aren’t vaccinated people still required to wear a mask? Especially if the mask was more so about protecting other vulnerable people around you and less about protecting yourself? (this wasn’t a direct post to you Bronco, but rather addressing others on here who say to trust the medical folks no matter what and if you don’t get the shot then you want others to die)

I’m assuming this was meant for Pawnman?

Right back at you brother! Careful…someone might not be wearing a mask!

Thank you for answering my questions with another question. Makes it obvious that you can’t or don’t want to answer them. But coming from a guy who would give anyone an Article 15 for speeding, not wearing a reflective belt, etc…I’m not surprised. You do know that you can see the foolishness of your ways and admit that you were wrong, right? Or are you sticking to your original post below?

If it’s so safe and effective, then why hasn’t the military made it mandatory? Also (again), if it’s so safe and effective, then why hasn’t it been approved by the FDA under normal ops?

As I said, I hope to never have to serve with you. By the way, when are commanders getting relieved of duty for selective enforcement of the policy?—exactly. Oh and don’t forget, you said if you were a commander that you would hunt down those who weren’t wearing a mask and didn’t have the vaccine (ie nothing about the member lying)…and somehow this now applies to “lying to my face”. What a joke…

So why aren’t others getting the vaccine if they believe they’ll be at risk for serious harm if they contract the virus? I love the “risk” argument…it’s always an argument that suits the person who want to have A or ban B. The difference between progressives/statists and libertarians is that libertarians believe the choice should be up to you, where as progressives and statists believe you should whatever they want. Don’t believe me?…progressives (even those on this page), want to ban AR-15s, even though statically you’re more at risk of dying after getting a covid vaccine than being killed by someone with an AR-15. And when was the last time government agencies set up monetary incentives to the general public to get an experimental vaccine? I don’t expect we’re going to see eye to eye on this…especially since you support commanders giving punishment under Art 15 for those who don’t wear a mask and haven’t had the shot (I hope to never have to work with you btw). Though in a trial, I would put my bet on someone in this situation being acquitted. Why?—glad you asked. During the whole mast mandate, especially in the end, I saw commanders being very selective of requiring guys to wear a mask. Walking around the halls, have one on. A get together in the squadron bar for a going away, don’t need to wear one.

High paying is high paying, is it not? Either this or with a company with more than a few employees. I don’t have to like it, and neither do you, but these GOs will have zero problems getting hired by a legitimate business if that’s what they want. They have more influence and connections than you or I could ever dream. And with the defense industry/military industrial complex only getting larger, those businesses are even that more hungry for retired GOs.

Fair enough, but if you don’t think Wills or any other GO isn’t going to find a high paying job at a “company” then you’re fooling yourself.