HeloDude

A 'signed guarantee'? Have the guys who dropped RPAs seen this 'signed gurantee'? You guys are very gullible. I'm sure you also believe when leadership comes to you and says, "Have I got a deal for you!". The needs of the Air Force will always come before a retired CSAF's non-legally binded 'promise'. But hey, it's better to be lucky than good, so maybe it will work out for them, who knows? Personally I think it's a waste to cross-flow guys back to a manned aircraft after an RPA tour unless the Air Force at that time is fat on RPA guys and is hurting for guys in X MWS. Almost as much of a waste to pull a guy after UPT and send him to RPAs in the first place.

I cannot think of a single AF rotary wing mission that doesn't involve the carrying of people/passengers/survivors in the back as part of the mission...so I don't see unmanned helicopters coming to the AF anytime soon.

No...the 10 year ADSC is for going to UPT.

Go helos...avoid RPA's. Sounds like a pretty good slogan! ...oh, and more importantly, helicopters are bad ass!

If you're going to say you have a plan, then I would say you need more supplies...and I imagine you could probably use a few more firearms and a few thousand more rounds of ammunition. But I definitely agree that the trick is be surrounded with other like minded/prepared people vs not. As for bugging out, nutnfancy did a pretty good video on this topic not too long ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjK38SmrGSw

It's better to be lucky than good. I'm not saying the AF won't fulfill their 'promise', what I'm saying is that there is no legal requirement for them to do so. And I get why: Who knows what the military/ops tempo/CSAF will be like in 3-4 years? I sure as hell don't, thus I understand what the CSAF wants to do...but what he has to do will always trump what wants to do, and I don't blame him in that regard. If enough cadets/Lt's selected for UPT demanded his promise be written in the ADSC, then potential changes could be made. Or perhaps if those in UPT dropped an RPA wanted an adjustment to their ADSC with similar verbiage and if not they SIE. Make the AF put their money where their mouth is. Right now it's just a gamble, like most other things in the military. The young guys just need to know the difference between a promise and legal sense.

HU&W, see my post above. Unless what the CSAF said is explicitly written into the UPT ADSC (which is verified by legal), then it's just a 'desire'. I bet a month's flight pay that it won't be in the ADSC, and there is a specific reason for this. Who would have signed an extended ADSC in hopes of getting the bonus if the ADSC said nothing about how much money you get, but the CSAF 'promised' it would be $25K/year. Or should I also believe a politician when he 'promises' something?

For what it's worth man, I empathize with someone who got dropped/non-vol'd to RPA's...just like I would any service member who got an assignment out of left field that they did not want. Though these days it shouldn't come as a surprise that's it's a very real possibility. But I truly value the work and sacrifice you RPA guys make...not just the fact that you're flying an aircraft while sitting 1G, 0 knot, but also because I know the long hours you guys put in and that it doesn't seem to be getting much better (from what I've heard?). But in the end, we serve at the pleasure of the AF for the agreed upon time. That being said, I don't feel sorry for Big Blue when people finally say they've had enough and decide to leave in droves when their time is up--the biggest vote we have is with our feet. Good luck man.

What's this 'promise' you speak of? Was this a signed contract and verified through legal? A 'promise' that is not legally binding is only worth as much as people believe the person making the promise will honor it. The AF has always said one thing and done another because of the 'best interests of the AF'. Sometimes luck works out so that the 'promise' is fulfilled, sometimes it's not. A lesson for the younger guys: If you don't like the odds you're given/question your ability to avoid what you may perceive as less desirable options available, then don't take the deal, ie in this case, go to UPT. But if you want to go to UPT, want to serve as an aviator (in whatever capacity that could mean), then go for it!

I know an 11H that was offered continuation.

That's because this has nothing to do with killing people and breaking their stuff. This has nothing to do with making the military more competent, more efficient, or a stronger fighting force. I'm sure there are a few bright/capable people who are 4'9" who could make it through pilot training and fly fighters if the DoD only made the necessary adjustments to the trainers/systems... This is all about progressive ideology and politics. I'm not surprised, though I'm slightly surprised that it happened this soon. Then again, the President is working hard to change what he can in his last year+ of his presidency with regards to his progressive ideology and his legacy. I look forward to the upcoming training day briefings and/or CBT's addressing this new change when it occurs.

Calling 911 because you're offended...have to love progressivism in this country. I would have arrested the caller for misuse of the emergency services, but it's Connecticut so I'm not surprised they didn't. https://www.theamericanmirror.com/offended-flea-market-shopper-calls-911-over-confederate-merchandise/

Greece is in financial trouble not because of post-large war (like the progressive article compares), but rather due to irresponsible social spending and poor internal monetary policies. Very little will change in Greece as their Sunday vote showed that they want the socialism that they can't afford. Right now giving them more money is throwing good money after bad. Either way, this hurts the Euro, which is a good thing.

Dude, your article emphasized all my points for me--that there is no actual investment going on with the money forcefully taken from you (treasury bonds grows government, not economic productivity). That it relies on force, more and more people paying into it, etc. So I'll see your 'fool.com' article and raise it with one from Forbes... https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardsalsman/2011/09/27/social-security-is-much-worse-than-a-ponzi-scheme/

Social Security in its current form is a Ponzi scheme--pure and simple. The money is collected by the government and borrowed against, thus the only way for your money to grow is for the government to collect more taxes and/or have a a continuous larger pool to collect SS payments from in prefer to pay off the previous payments.

A democracy, in its definition, is tyranny from the majority. It is a state of mob rules. It's why pure democracies should always be feared and will always fail. I can argue that all of these countries that you're referring to have become more of a democracy lately, not less of one...hence the problem.

I agree--Greece is fucked...but they did it to themselves, regardless of whether they have tax evaders or not, it's still their economic policy that did it. The good news is that if they get kicked off the Euro, the Drachma will be worth considerably less and the wife and I can take a trip to Greece on the relatively cheap. As for us, we're fucked, but our history/system will allow itself to survive a bit longer. As for how to fix it--in addition to reducing the spending, how about the federal government sells off some of that massive amount of land it owns in the mountain west and Alaska? A lot of people (referring to American citizens not the international investors) would love to own some of the land in either the BLM or National Forest. Some of that land can be developed for mining/natural resources, and some can be just owned because upper-middle class and rich people want to own some beautiful land without paying an arm and a leg for it (since right now the only land that is for sale is currently owned by someone else). The problem is that the progressives will never allow it as the environmentalists would consider it a tragedy...even to sell 10-20% of it, without touching the national parks. So the progressives would rather just take more of the wealth via taxes, which in turn reduces investment and thus reduces growth. To understand what made our economy massively grow in the late 1800's and the early and mid 1900's, you have to understand the history of what happened at that time...and given the nature of our changing American culture and its politics and the world economy, I don't see how that massive economic growth of the past can ever be seen again. And with our corrupt politicians getting to score their tax/spending bills on silly assumptions that will never happen, it's no suprise that it is not a question of if we're fucked, but when it will truly happen. Eventually one has to make a decision of when the best time to convert those 0 and 1's (that represent our wealth in banks/investments) to tangible assets such as property/land, machinery, precious metals (if you believe they'll still be worth something worth having in the future), supplies, etc. Right now Greeks are trying to salvage what they can from their bank accounts while they still can...theirs is a lesson to be learned out of all this...

I agree for the most part... But what do you think will happen in Greece? Will the Greeks reject the IMF proposals? Will they get kicked off the Euro? How will this affect the rest of the countries on the Euro as well as the U.S. Dollar, the Pound, etc?

Thread revival... Any of you guys paying attention to what's going on with regards to the latest in the fiscal fiasco in Greece? Thoughts on what will or should happen?

A few months ago my staff job O-6 told a few of us that since they haven't been specifically told that they can't use it to rack/stack people that he and others are still using it as one of their metrics.

^^This...

Though the guys 'also' wouldn't want to go in on a BX special watch, that's not their reason for not wanting a 'USAF watch'. I dont think you do, or perhaps it wasnt communicated well. See above. The guys don't want the watch because a lot of people aren't too happy or excited with the 'big blue' USAF (ie the bureaucracy) at the present time. Also, see below:

Possibly, though as I understand it, just like with the last RIF, it all comes down to your core AFSC, and there isn't one for school house IP's (unless it applies to FAIPs, but then again, that would be irrelevant for the O-5 board discussion).