HeloDude

I was referring to the more current issue that this report is referring to. If people broke the law since 2001, then why haven't there been any prosecutions?

ClearedHot gives me a thought... So the government is against torture (the kind that doesn't cause any long term physical harm), but has a massive stockpile of nuclear weopans ready to be launched at a moment's notice...weopans which would kill millions of innocent people. I am we'll aware of the concept of deterrence and mutually assured destruction, but if you're not willing to strike fear into your captive in order to attempt to retrieve valuable information on a potential terrorist attack (ie something on order of another 9-11), then I don't honestly believe our leaders would ever pull the nuke trigger even if we were actually attacked with nukes. Bottom Line--we're wasting money on all of our nuclear weapons and support if we're against keeping people up with loud music and pouring water on them in an attempt to retrieve information to prevent a large scale attack. And if water boarding doesn't work, why did they do it? And if it was illegal, why haven't there been any prosecutions?

If you have surfed around the Huffington Post the last several days you'll have your answer--this was red meat from the progressives in the Senate to their progressive base, simple as that, since like you said, the basic information wasn't new. The Bush administration (where this was happening) has been out of office for 6 years, but when your party just took a beating in the Senate, you're losing your control in a few weeks, and obamacare is still front and center (especially now with Gruber)--all means you have to take your wins where you can get them. It's a way to still look somewhat relevant to your bread and butter who put you in office. What's funny is that the majority of the country disagrees with Senate report on whether or not we should have done what we did/should do it again. My question is why isn't the Attorney General and his DOJ filing any prosecutions against these horrible CIA people? It's either this bad or it's not.

Can you put the job on a 1206 for community involvement?

Seems closer to how we do things...the current administration is cool with the killing part (see our drone policy)...just not the water boarding part (see our torture policy).

...because people don't fake injuries to get out of a PT test/event that they know they're going to fail. Give people an out, and there are always people that will take it. Will it matter? Depends on what kind of a force we want, pretty simple. That can be argued by both sides, by the way. I have no problem with people arguing the point on what the country should do with this issue based off their desires for 'equality' or our American values (even if I agree or disagree), but don't try to tell me that this change is needed to make the military operationally stronger/more efficient (cost/risk vs reward). If that is your argument, then there shouldn't be cutoff ages for UPT (I'm sure there are plenty of people in the mid 40's could make it through UPT), we shouldn't be kicking people out who continuously fail their PT test by only a minute/10 sit-ups, kicking people out of programs/the military who continuously fail academic tests by a few points, etc. Why does the AF require certain ASVAB scores/a HS diploma to serve?--I'm sure there are people who don't make the entrance criteria who would make great Airman. Why aren't we letting guys wear nail polish or earrings right now?--what does it hurt? As for tellng the CC "Iidentify with gender X"...will this need to be confirmed by medical/psych personnel at all? Will people be able to one day say they are gender X and the next day tht they are gender Y? Will there be any repercussions if it is suspected that people might say this to have different PT standards (just one example)? Will the military now pay for active duty folks to get gender realignment (or whatever it is) surgery? Who will make the call on whether the surgery is warranted/approved? What if special prescriptions are needed for hormones, etc? What if Dave says he wants to start wearing earrings tomorrow and gives the reason that he's identifying with the female gender...does he have to get a wig or is he allowed to keep his high and tight, but can also have the ear rings? Again man, it's cool if you support this idea/proposal based off your morals/ideology, just don't tell me that it's needed to make us a stronger fighting force or to make us more efficient. This is all about ideologues changing the culture of the country, and as more often than not, it starts on the large scale with the military since its done by fiat and not by the culture changing on its own. Is this a good thing--do the end justify the means? I oubt it, but i guess time will eventually tell. Oh, and a horrible argument comparing this to desegregation (see two paragraphs above). I'm not aware of black Americans needing anything special to serve (hormones, different PT standards, surgery), other than for people to get over their bigotry. Learn to make a better argument if you want to convince people who are on the fence/think differently than you do. I'm all ears if you want to make that argument by the way.

Might want to rethink your post. Never pass up the opportunity, to...

So was the CIA just incompetent (thinking that torture would work when it supposedly didn't) or were they just evil--ie they knew it wouldn't work but they just wanted to do it anyway? If they were incompetent then why didn't they know better and should they have known better? And if they were just being evil and just wanting to inflict harm, then why were they so evil and why couldn't they control themselves? Is the CIA (at least in this capacity) filled with a bunch of guys who don't know what they are doing end just enjoy hurting people for the fun of it? And if its the later, why won't there be any prosecutions? ...or is there more to the story somewhere?

This will definitely make piss tests more interesting...

I'm pretty sure you can decline the assignment if you do not have retainability for the required ADSC, unless they want to waive/reduce the commitment to be concurrent with your original commitment.

His gaining unit.

Yep--good catch.

A quick google search shows that we haven't had a CSAF who was a nav since...well, never. Gen McNabb (acting CSAF after Mosely) started as a nav and then several years later became a pilot. I'm just saying that at certain levels it must matter to somebody, though I'm sure it really depends on the job. The previous AFSOC CC was a nav. Keep in mind that I'm a rotorhead (red-headed stepchildren) and we'll never have one of our own running the big show, so don't feel bad. Some of the best guys I have worked with and for have been navs.

This seems like an appropriate place for this...

Talk to an acquisitions guy--this movie is their 'Top Gun'. To be fair, it's definitely worth watching if you haven't seen it.

Looks like Jay Leno sold out to the progressive gun control movement and recently cancelled his upcoming SHOT Show appearance. I wonder if Leno will sell all of his guns and get rid of his armed security guards...because you know, the children and stuff. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/393062/update-jay-leno-pulls-out-shot-show-speaking-gig-charles-c-w-cooke

Not buying it...

Don't worry...pretty soon they'll be making us do it during stand-down/'Resilience' training days. You'll have to do all this crap and there won't be a 3-day pass reward, but you will get behind in your duties. Being proud of wearing your uniform when walking out from work will of course be completely voluntary.

Neat video...but it still doesn't explain why the Marines make fun of us.

Not sure how many of you folks caught wind of this, but apparently the 'Obamacare Architect' has said that to pass the bill, they needed to rely on the 'stupidity of the American voter' among other things the Dems and the administration purposely kept from being 'transparent' (ie you couldn't pass Obamacare as a 'tax' even though that's what SCOTUS used to uphold the hold). Funny, I agree with Gruber--the American people, as a whole, are pretty stupid. But hey, we get the kind of government we deserve. https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/10/aca-architect-the-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-led-us-to-hide-obamacares-tax-hikes-and-subsidies-from-the-public/

She may very well lose. ...but if Barber was such a 'lock' then I think he would have easily secured a victory last week on election night.

So he can just come back in? Or does this only happen with our neighbors to the south?

I agree with you, more or less. But if tonight's results causes more disfunction in DC then I'm all for it. I want government to do less not more. Just my $.02

Well, today is the big day--what happens to the obsessive blinker? A poll I saw from a couple weeks ago had her down by two points, within the margin of error, but still down. Larry Sabato's crystal ball has the race leaning to Barber. Since there isn't a seperate thread for tonight's midterms, anyone want to make an overall prediction for tonight's outcome for the country?