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You aren't the only means for fires out there. TTPs and mission criteria on the ground can and do evolve. Nobody is saying you can completely take the fighters or rotary wing CAS out of the Coin fight, but doing something like this takes the pain and suffering out of those communities of participating in that 99% of the time where they legitimately don't need to be there. If you can get away with 3-4 Hawgs or Viper where we used to need whole squadrons because the stacks are much more self sufficient it'll still be bigger savings than trying to add what is essentially a less effective (TOS/speed/armament/etc) lower cost airplane where you still have 3-4+ aircraft where you could get away with 1-2 almost all of the time. And I get it the Hawg guys keep leveraging that card of "what about if" with weather eyc, but to get down that low you are well into the RW envelope anyway. And if we can get out of wasting time in stacks that don't need is we can be more places when called. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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This is exactly what I'm getting at. If we are really after savings I think a mid sized commuter plane like the Dash 8s (which we've already proven we can own and play with) are a great way to get out of the box we've put ourselves in. 1. It lowers the visual presence of our aircraft vice somebody deploying strike eagles or something more military in style like a special mission 130. There are a lot of countries that could more readily allow this position because of nationalist/anti-US sentiment at home. 2. Maintenance can go to a more civilian type because those airframes are being used in a normal 1-2g capacity they aren't playing around at other times. 3. It will strengthen ACC because since we don't need the commitment of crews and airframes to that mission there are parts, people , and money to train at home, or deploy to multinational training like sending Vipers or Hawgs to Sprang or Japan instead of spending 4.8 in an orbit yo-yo'ing off a tanker whose Majcom also doesn't face the commitment requirements. 4. Equipment doesn't face near the difficulty in where to we put box X,Y,Z. You guys should see some of the optics our ground vehicles can deploy because they have the ability to build in a space bigger than a sniper/lightning pod. You've got lots or room for antenna and radios to support all those comms, you've got space for multiple crew members to combat boredom/fatigue drain on mission effectiveness. Seriously with the ease of employability of a lot of new small size PGMs like Griffen or P/R Hellfire it's not like the strike thing is going to be some impossibility to teach those guys. We already have and maintain that gunnery skill set in the ISR community. But alas I'm not running the donkey show, I just mop the floors around here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Ah crap yeah that's to close to home and too late to edit... Mods?
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But we've proven you can do coin with less than an A-29 every day by doing it with a Caravan of all things. Look if the point is finding a way to both save money and keep hours off our high cost fleet buying something that's 3/4 the price of what they are flying in place of that only removes that fighter from the stack doesn't net you real savings. What's more since we are talking about an aircraft without air refuel capability I now need a lot more lines on the ATO to give the persistence over target and the ability to be retasked for follow on or mission change so the savings is probably a break even at best. If you've gotta put 3-4x A-29s in the air what did you really save off not launching a Viper etc. The most efficient way to make what is effectively an airliner is to look at airliners. Flying around in circles at 14k for hours on end to not drop steel and watch guys walk into a village is something we are already doing with ISR platforms. If that's the case let's look at a future generation armed ISR or mod and buy planes we have that can do it (MC-12 being an example of type not the go to) and not try to teach a light attack plane how to be an ISR platform like that isn't 99% of the job in the stack because that's the reality of COIN. That will net you savings. Because now you simply don't need the lines for FW CAS since the ISR can already do it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Which we can get without going down an umpteen million dollar rabbit hole. If we are gonna ask these platforms to perform "today's mission" then let's be realistic about what today's mission is. You don't need a Hawg or an Apache for that matter. You need efficiency in time on station with a small strike capability. At this point we'd be better off teaching a small simple aircraft designed to be an economic point to point cruiser with lots of gas, payload for several sensors, multiple crew to run same, and a light but effective weapons load. We would get more bang for the buck investing in non sexy systems like some kind of armed MC-12 or other air transport based airframe, not the nostalgic sexiness of a Turboprop fighter plane that reminds people of a P-51. People are on hear defending the LAA concept on the idea that using an F-16 to shot and IED emplacer is overkill, I'm saying its the same overkill for "today's mission" with the A-29. It's funny because we spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to fight this exact argument with our foreign partners who want a hot rod when what they need is something unsexy that works. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I'm aware of all that you just mentioned. And I've employed most of it. I'm saying even with these new systems (we've got all of them), the modification of TTPs to present the absolute lowest risk of dropping an aircrew into a crap zone makes planes like the Hawg, the A-29, or even the 64 in my case a poor investment. We aren't going to put these aircraft in an envelope to use them the way design intended, we are treating them as a non persistent ISR asset with a secondary on call Air delivered Fires platform. The only reason we are even doing this is because there aren't enough persistent ISR platforms with a strike capability available. At that point anybody could do it, so why buy more into a "CAS" specific platform that can't do peer fights anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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DIRCM/ATIRCM/CMWS/etc work great and last a long time but there are glaring limitations in those systems. Along with that its not so much the guided stuff Im worried about in a light single engine A-29 type aircraft profile. Isis has been doing stuff with light and med caliber AAA the likes of which we haven't seen in 15 years over Afghanistan. The Hawg has armor and redundancy of two engines but that's really only gonna bring a shot up airplane home to possibly write off. The people arguing for a nostalgic trip back to a A-1 Sandy type airplane are signing up to lose friends when those light low cost systems come up against 57mm AAA. The basic of it is yes we need something cheaper than Raptors to pull the cart. If the survivability issue is such that aircraft are performing med altitude delivery of small CDE limiting ordnance though that doesn't need to be a Hawg or one of these light attack airplanes. If pumping the money into drones like reaper and Pred and beefing up their ability to train pilots would net us more savings than keeping around the A-10 to do what Viper or Bone is currently doing (sitting at Altitude with a Pod). And just keep a couple of those expensive fast movers around for when something kicks off where you don't have stuff. If you could get enough UAS armed, or start strapping Hellfires and Griffens to C-12s/U-28s those gaps where dudes are exposed would lessen severely and we wouldn't need so many lines on the ATO of expensive high cost CAS missions from Vipers or Strikes. Yes drones aren't as useful in a full intensity conflict due to EW etc, but let's be honest neither is Hawg or a light attack jet when they either get beat up or require massive support and coordination to put them over the FLOT. Right now it's either those high cost high altitude guys or the Gray Eagle/Reaper/Pred guys that are doing all the flying where the bad guys are because we won't risk manned aircraft in the current political environment. So having A-29 or an upgraded Hawg etc doesn't really net you any savings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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You need everything that's on a Dedicated AC or it's not gonna cover it. All that crap up there isn't negotiable to the ground force commanders that have their guys walking in the Kush with nothing more than maybe an AT-4 or 2 and some mortars. The sensors, the IR pointer, the metric F ton of available options. The Gunship and Rotary Wing fires are pretty much the non negotiable items specifically because we've gone without them in the past and it bit the crap out of us. Along with that equipment you need dedicated well trained crews. Getting a few more part time kits to tell a J model crew "hey you guys are covering SOF tonight" isn't a smart way to do things. And it'll take tales away from their real job, intra-theatre airlift. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Without getting to into the SIPR realm... All this talk of light attack low cost small footprint is great except for a few issues. We keep talking about "today's fight" but pretending the A-10 isn't massive overkill for that exact fight. 1. In effects driven CAS where 90% of your problems are solved by a Hellfire or at best a 500lbs. We don't need 16k lbs of ordnance or a variety of dumb and non unitary ordnance to stop some tank company from pushing on our Stykers. You need a 114 to kill the IED team or that technical hiding amongst an urban environment. 2. Survivability right now is an issue. Take a look at the beating the Iraqis and Syrians have taken lately. Low slow and light weight are not places we are putting anything we own right now. The Iraqis want to fly their 208s around in that crap they can have at it. We aren't even allowing rotary into risky positions because of the political fall out loosing a bird or having another Black Hawk Down. Given that, we'd be better off buying more armed UAS, spending money to expand the existing crew pipelines for same to combat burnout and last getting more gunships to put in the stacks out there because let's all be honest with ourselves there are two types of fires that are mandatory for all the swoopy missions out there, and stuff that flies fast whether it's got a 30mm or this is one of a half dozen missions it does aren't it. Hell let's look at arming the PGSS balloons. Put DAGR on the damn thing, or a ground launched version of Hellfire/Brimstone with the ability to shoot coded laser from the ballon to provide FOBs with organic immediate fires as a 21st century version of the fire bases we based so much off in Vietnam. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Spirit 03 was the last (maybe only?) AC-130 shot down. It happened during Desert Storm at the battle of Khafji in the early morning dawn. They stayed on station to service a call from the Marines and ended up getting hit with an SA-7. They crashed out to see with no survivors.
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Along with this we live in a world of YouTube. The second a US aircraft and crew goes down it will black hawk down whatever strategic mission was going on when US troops are seen getting 3 million views of being dragged down the street with their throats cut. Nobody wants to deal with that in either the civilian or military side of leadership. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Safe space/trigger requirements. Kinda like you can't say cockpit anymore... What the is that about. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Anybody heard from him lately. Been PMing the guy with no response about some stuff he asked me for a few months back. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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If we walk away from Article 5 than NATO is unofficially over. Better we kick Turkey out of NATO preemptive to them dragging us into the shit storm rather than avoid keeping our word. Seriously the only thing keeping Russia from pulling a Crimea out in Latvia, Estonia, etc is them wanting to avoid an actual shooting war where the possibility of escalation exists.
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Commission ROTC selects via an order of merit. There is no guarantee you will get an aviation branch specific commission. Essentially, do good in school, do good at ROTC, get a degree in something that matters just in case, have a good and current flight medical prior to selecting your MOS, pray for the favor of the gods. I've worked with plenty of ROTC aviation officers in my career so it's not something that doesn't happen. Also unlike say AF ROTC Aviation is the bastard stepchild amongst the combat/maneuver branches so it doesn't have the sex appeal competitiveness like say Infantry with a ranger slot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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The elements in the EU attempting to make this painful are cutting off their nose to spite their face. The attempt is transparent enough to see the whole point is the longer England deals with fallout painfully the more examples for pro-EU elements in countries like Denmark or France to use to hold by the trend of leaving. This isn't Latvia or some other tiny country amongst a list of countries that left, it's the 5th largest economy in the world and the 1st/2nd economy in Europe for 90% of the things you would want to export (tech/cars/etc). European politicians in Brussels seem to have forgotten they aren't the only Buffet table for the Brits to fill their plate at. If I was a business/industry CEO from an EU country I'd be making phone calls to the politicians of my country to remind them of that.... If I was same from outside the EU I'd be throwing everything I could at trying to pick up the market slack that things like punishment tariffs are going to cause. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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So if you don't get your Masters Degree you get force choked? I can only imagine the punishment for F'ing up the Christmas party or hail & farewell. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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All forces evacuated... Ground commanders intent met. Their cot is up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I literally spent all of May in a craptastic place in the Mojave watching a ground brigade completely f@ck away its entire aviation task force on a daily basis.... And the koolaid drinking people that keep pretending we are anything but a U on all those METL tasks need to be taken out and beaten with a sack full of 1950s toasters.
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This. Ground commanders who grew up mostly or entirely in a COIN fight are having to relearn this at NTC/JRTC right now. It is critically apparent with smaller lighter ground units like light infantry and Stryker infantry that they fully expect to just hold air power in their hand like the trump card for when they encounter hostile Armor or are counter attacked. Problem is they have no understanding of threats to our operations and are myopic in prioritizing fires or EW to enable those combat air assets. The other issue people are missing out on is the airspace coordination piece. If you have to get up close and personal with targets ala Hawg with the 30, you are putting yourself into the same area as all the gun target lines and support fire positions a ground force in a near peer/peer fight is going to not only have but need to be using especially if your threat defeat tactic is to get low. Not a lot of that to worry about in Syria/Iraq/Astan with the hybrid SF/Ranger driven fights we are waging. If they have indirect it's pretty limited. A Brigade or Battalion movement to contact is going to have multiple PAAs and transitioning them to perform CAS may actually have a negative effect on the total battle area because we shut down fires or suppression or smoke. It also requires a higher level of knowledge from the ground commanders to make sure they don't F themselves and more importantly you/me in only leaving us options of in/egress that are poor to terrible because they used up all the other airspace for their stuff. No we are not ready to fight a high threat CAS fight, because we aren't ready to fight a high threat Joint fight, because conversely we aren't ready to fight a high threat ground fight. It's that integration on the battlefield and institutional knowledge that's really going to screw us now, not the fact we have point nose fast air planes or ones that carry a bigger stick but go slower. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Translation: "Keep rowing the boat ignore the water filling up around your feet... Chow today will be fecal matter on sourdough with soup." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Both my father in law, and my dad either spent time o Guam or had friends that did during the 80s. My wife lived there for three years as a kid and her mother who hates any place not south east Texas even enjoyed the experience. Dad almost took Guam but got Italy instead for his overseas tour. Seems like at the time though every family we knew did 1 overseas tour in a career minimum, and it was 3 years remote or 4 years with Family. Seemed the only variable was which Ocean you crossed as my family and a lot of our friends went to Europe where my wife's family and friends did the Pacific to either Guam, Japan, or PI.
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What kind of "advanced" F-15 would you like to see?
Lawman replied to FearMyCessna's topic in General Discussion
Because in the future.... Front plate drag won't exist.... in A Boeing is doing the same thing with the F-15 that Grumman tried to do with Tomcat 21 and other l"ook how cool this could be" models. Only this time it's on YouTube. -
I just can't see any country lining up to spend 150ish million on a 35 to not see the 160 or 170 mil on a Raptor and not immediately go for that. Especially with small density fleet upgrades of 8-12 Airplanes like a lot of these outside NATO countries keep getting into. If we did revisit and actively have a Raptor production line though it might get interesting to see how long even our own Air Force towed the company line on the 35 before chopping it's order to some 5-600 planes and going bring on the F-22B and push to replace the Strike with something like that long range strike Raptor concept. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
