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I got a training report from SOS??? Everything said so far is correct. Most guys who DG out of SOS are usually set through LtCol .However, they do not always make the Phoenix Eagle list. If you do ACSC in residence you will make LtCol unless you are caught with a live boy or a dead girl and vise versa for the female officers. Additionally, I have seen plenty of people never DG anything and do just fine.

Did he get put in for a Purple Heart? "You can't teach this in a classroom," said Maj. David Higginbotham, You are right, we have CBTs for that!

From the Swingers thread that lasted 1hour and 42 minutes today.

Depends. Are you towing one of the cars or driving three? If you are driving all three they all get weighed empty and full separately. If you are towing one, I am not sure they keep changing the rules. I do know that if you rent the trailer the weight of the trailer does not count, if you own the trailer you get paid for the weight. I did hear that if your spouse is moving with you, they will pay for the weight of one car to be towed, but I am not positive. Ask several people at TMO and take the average of all the answers you get. I have never in 14 years gotten the same answer from them.

Back to the Call Sign discussion. At what point are some forced to give up there call sign for a more politically correct one. I know for a fact Lt General Loyd “Chip” Utterback was Tits when he was at Kunsan. Not sure if TITS would have gone over real well as the 13 AF/CC. Then of course you have Neda Bickerstaff, Kenny Lingus, and so on.

For BENDY.

Why?

Riding over here is not much different that back home. If you don't pay attention you will get in trouble, same thing with crime. Crime is worse on base than off. If you are smart and have some SA you will not have a problem. Now if you have a 600RR and plan on doing 160 on the road up to Seoul, you will be visiting the medical hobby shop. I didn't bring a car or a motorcycle, I walk and bike to work. But I am at Yong San, much smaller base than Osan. Bring the motorcycle.

It was like I said before. It’s the difference between a PCS and TDY enroute. You were TDY to MFS (can't show up early), then PCS to XL (can show up early). I just PSCd to Korea and arrived on the 16th RNLTD was the 17th. Not charged for that last day. Oh, and I would not worry about only having 8 days. When you are new they will let you have a "negative" leave balance. I did it. Just take 12 days and your LES will say -4 days of leave. You need CC approval but that is not hard to come by at a UPT base. At least it was that way 10 years ago.

True statement Yes. I know it sucks but they are right. They count from the day you outprocess to the day you show up, then subtract travel days, the remaining days are charged as leave. Welcome to AD. Edit: Because it was a TDY enroute they should not give you extra days like that, the travel days should mach the RNTD. If it was a straight PCS they count from the day you final out to the day you drive through the gate. Since, MFS is a TDY, they do not let you get there early. If you do it's leave. Yes, I know that would have been usefull information 26 days ago, but that is how we learn in the AF.

The other end is probaly runway 400!

Evergreen Air Cargo (another shady operation) 747 had the same thing happen in Anchorage back in 93.

Guess you never saw the C-17 at Bagram. They can pretty much fix anything that is not a smoking pile of scrap metal. Sorry, could not find the picture of the underside of the jet. Lots of structural damage. Boeing just cut all the damaged areas out and riveted new ones in! That aircraft was back in the fleet about 1.5 years after it happened.

Now that we have thoroughly covered virga and Viagra we can get back to speculating! Safety guys should not have too much trouble figuring this one out. They have a lot of things going for them. 1. The pilots are OK and can tell them what happened. 2. The aircraft is in pretty good shape (not a smoking hole in the ground) and can tell them what happened 3. It appears from the news photo that the aircraft is not on the Moon, so they should be able to collect some weather data from the time of the mishap. Now we know the aircraft is not on the Moon, but it is not on the runway either. Several things can make an aircraft not make the runway! 1. The pilots said F@&*K it, let’s land here in this field. 2. The aircraft said F@&*K it, I am landing in this field. 3. The environmental conditions (microbursts, low vis, ect) said FU, you are landing in this field. 4. Oh, and the unknown factors.. monkeys, aliens and that damn Sasquach. Not the fist time someone has landed short. Lots of ways that it can happen. Some are the pilot’s fault some are not. Good thing is they are OK and if they can fix a C-17 with the nose gear ripped off at Bagram, I think they can fix this one too.

Maybe it was Viagra??

This is the fist crash we heard about. Let's remember the development of the B-2 was accomplished in secret.. just like the F-117 and many other airframes. They could have crashed 9 of these things in the 80's and we would not have ever known about it.

Boeing Stratoliner, Clipper Flying Cloud in Elliott Bay, Seattle. March 2002.

ops, I forgot to mention that. I did spend a bit of time in OIF as a safety officer, but had a great time. However, once again being an FSO will not cause you to be deployed more. I know plenty of folks that have deployed to the CAOC and can't even spell safety. If you are deployed as an FSO they are not going to send you to the CAOC as a tactics officer right when you get back. If they do, your commander really sucks.

???? Not sure where you are getting some of your information. You can be on a board as a pilot member without any safety training whatsoever. They prefer AMIC training for the pilot member but it is not required. FSO training is required to be an Investigating Officer (not the same as the pilot member) Safety does not take you off the line. I have been an FSO for 7 years, served on 3 boards, and spent 1 year in wing safety. I flew more when I was the Chief of Flight Safety than I have in my other wing jobs XP and OSO. I wish I could go back to the safety office. Go to the school!

A couple of C-17 blunders.

Well, that is not as much of a wasted as burning 130K to fly a C-17 across the county empty on a synthetic fuel demonstration flight. Oh, the flew back the next day empty also. So make that 260K. HAF has no clue what they are doing. It just sounds cool to say we are saving gas. Unless they are going to address the real problems we have that waste fuel (i.e. flying in circles at the end of the fiscal year to close out our flying hours, flying empty airplanes across the country....) they are just spinning their wheels. Guess the Air Force is supposed to be effective not efficient. Seems they want to make it look like we can save a few thousand ponds of gas here and there while still wasting a thousand times more. Don't even get me started on airborne spares for DV flights.

Yes, Pete's unit is the smallest!

Crap! I though they kept theirs.... Maxwell is out also.