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Dude as long as they don't change anything by this Dec. I am looking at twice passed over for the win! Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

OSI has stepped up their game. Reminds me of a time when I was deployed and saw a no $hit 9 walk into the chow hall (a 1 for those that use binary) in those tight little booty shorts they sell at the clothing store and a circulation killing PT shirt. No reflective belt (should have been my first red flag). Give her the obligatory hey how ya doing and go about my day. Next day getting chow hall getting ready to fly and same chick walks in with the grandma PT shorts and a baggy PT shirt with a nice green reflective belt that said... SARC. They are everywhere boys, guard your corn holes. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

I'll post it tonight. There is a mypers stamp on it, but it has no routing list or anything. Isn't even signed. It does however list the authority being under "Title 10... blah blah blah". This was distributed through our base MPF office but who sent it to them, who knows... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

I asked around and obviously DOPMA still trumps continuation with outstanding ADSCs, so although they are now going to be blanket continuing everyone, if you decline their generous offer of continuing to 20, you still separate NLT 6 months after notification, regardless of ADSC. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

As a kid of a Marine and then an Airline pilot, hands down I would take Dad the airline pilot any day. In the Airlines, when he "missed" Christmas, it meant we celebrated on Dec 22. In the USMC, when he missed Christmas, it meant we just kept his presents in the spare bedroom till he got back 6-9 months later. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Hell no. Must be stupid to do that. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Memo just dropped today, ALL O-3s twice not selected for promotion to O-4 WILL be offered continuation to retirement as long as they are "Fully Qualified". I didn't see where the memo originated, but bad news for anyone foolishly hoping to get a non-continuation check. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Exactly my point. They expect the honeymoon phase to last a full 10 years while beating their wife with 6 month non flying deployments, 365s and telling people who can't leave that they should leave if they don't like it...

The AF strategy is to retain people at the 12 year point, when in actuality they need to start retaining people at the 2 year point. It's too late to try and make people change their minds when you have beat them for 10 years. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

I have just a regular barclay card through the Apple Store and it's still 0% and no fees in case you still want the 0%. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

https://federalnewsradio.com/air-force/2017/03/air-force-meeting-airlines-pilot-shortage-may/ Home » Defense » Air Force » UPDATED: Air Force meeting… EXCLUSIVE UPDATED: Air Force meeting with airlines on pilot shortage in May By Scott Maucione | @smaucioneWFED March 27, 2017 3:04 pm 5 min read The Air Force is preparing to meet with commercial flight companies in hopes it can find a way to stop the bleeding of experienced pilots leaving the force. “Our senior leaders are going to start collaborating with the airlines in May to see if we can get a public private partnership and what that might look like, so I think that’s where you’ll see we are going,” Lt. Gen. Gina Grosso, the Air Force deputy chief of staff for Manpower, Personnel and Services, told Federal News Radio. During a March 29 House Armed Services Personnel Subcommittee hearing, Grosso said that the Air Force is exploring an intermission program that would allow pilots to fly certain seasons with an airline company and then come back to the Air Force. Sponsored Content: Why Governance, Risk and Compliance is Everyone’s Business - Download the Executive Brief Today. The program would give pilots seniority in the commercial airline world, while still filling much needed pilot spots in the military service. ADVERTISEMENT “We are also starting to look at [allowing] aviators to fly part time on their on their own. I think those are just two ideas, and there are many more,” Grosso said. Grosso said the partnership would look for a “win-win” situation for both the airlines and the Air Force. “How can we get stability for defending and protecting the United States and how can [the airlines] get stability in having a pipeline for their aviators? We think there are some possibilities there, especially when we look to our allies,” Grosso said. “Our allies have national airlines, so it makes it a little easier, but there are definitely some models out there that we are hoping that we can take advantage of.” The Air Force alone is dealing with a shortage of more than 600 pilots. The service is having trouble competing with airlines that can pay pilots more. The trouble comes when pilots are up for reenlistment. Military pilots have training and hours required to qualify to fly for the major airlines without having to work for smaller regional airlines first. “Because major airlines work on a seniority system, the best opportunity for salary growth in the major airlines occurs for military pilots leaving after their initial service obligation,” a July 2016 RAND report stated. Another factor that is appealing to military pilots is the Federal Aviation Administration increased the mandatory retirement age for pilots from 60 to 65 in 2007, giving pilots longer to cash in on their talents. The military services tried using reenlistment bonuses to keep pilots in the force, but their appeal is dropping. The Navy saw a 3.7 percent drop in new retention bonus contracts in 2015, dropping from almost 59 percent to 55 percent, stated a 2016 report to Congress. The Air Force is seeing even bigger declines. In 2013, 68 percent of eligible pilots signed on for incentive pay contracts with the Air Force. That number dropped to 59 percent in 2014 and further to 55 percent in 2015. Only 410 out of 745 pilots eligible for bonuses actually took them in 2015. Only 42 percent of pilots offered early bonus contracts took the bait. That’s especially troubling when the Air Force estimates that the cost to train one F-22 fighter pilot, for example, is $12.5 million. One reason the report states for the pilots’ lack of interest in bonuses is the size of the incentive pay. Pilots are allowed a maximum $25,000 bonus per year, a number that has not changed since 1999. That incentive pay may have worked five or 10 years ago when commercial airlines weren’t paying as well, but the RAND study states commercial airline pay has rebounded to mid-1990s peak salaries of $200,000. “We have no trouble recruiting pilots. We have more people who want to be pilots than we have spaces to train them. For us the issue is … we are not retaining enough,” Grosso said. Grosso added that as pilots reach their 11th year in the service the Air Force needs to keep around 65 percent. Over the years, that number has slowly declined. “We have gaps in the force and we are very, very concerned about this and our chief has called this a crisis,” Grosso said. Grosso told Congress the new blended retirement system may provide less of an incentive for pilots to stay in the service for a full 20 years as well. Part of the Air Force’s attempt to become more appealing to pilots involves bettering their quality of life. “What we found in the past — and we’ve been through this before because airlines have hired before — is quality of service is as important as quality of life. And quality of service is making sure that you’re given the opportunity to be the best you can be in your design, in your chosen occupation. Pilots who don’t fly, maintainers who’s don’t maintain, controllers who don’t control, will walk. And there’s not enough money in the Treasury to keep them in if we don’t need to give them the resources to be the best they can be. In my mind, readiness and morale are inexplicably linked. Where we have high readiness, we tend to have high moral because they’re given the opportunities to compete. Where we have low readiness, we have our lowest morale,” Air Force Chief of Staff David Goldfein told the Senate Armed Services Committee last September. To make up for that the Air Force reduced additional training and extra duties for airmen, so they can have more free time. The service is currently looking for additional areas to cut in order to better quality of life. Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) suggested the military services try to contact pilots who left the service, but did not join an airline to see if they may be interested in flying again. “Maybe they went to start a business of their own or tried some other ‘grass is always greener’ thing and now they are realizing they miss the camaraderie, they miss the mission … it’s challenging to try and find these people it’s challenging to find the experienced pilots that have left. Maybe they are two, three, five years out, it doesn’t matter. Retraining them with the experience they’ve had and bringing them back even for just one assignment is worth the investment,” McSally said. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Great news guys!!! Hopefully soon you will be able to sign a 13 year bonus! Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Hmmm. Maybe, but AF leadership hates us a lot. That would be some competition. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Completely valid. I know fighter guys who just went on their first deployment 16 years in... don't know of any heavy guy who has never deployed at 16 years. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

I don't hear much about the USMC having aviation retention problems. Is it just not as bad or not being reported? Same for the Navy. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

You would like to think that but right now the last AD remnant of 11Fs are leaving/retiring out of T-6s and even more heavy guys are heading to T-38s. 11Fs are getting orders shut off if they are slotted to be a T-6 guy. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Hand-picked... like a booger. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

I've heard that too, but not recently and even still it seems to be the exception and not the rule. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

I know of guys on the heavy side gone 280-300 days a year. The mentality was if you weren't on the road, you weren't making money... Granted that was several years ago. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

"Ever heard or PIC?" Not sure what you're trying to get at... I don't know brother. Leaving the ANG/Reserves out of it, almost all the AD heavy guys I know upgraded to AC in 1-2 years and had 1000 multi-engine PIC time less than 2 years after that. Some of my bros in the fighter world are just now hitting the 1,000 hour mark by their O-4 board due to bad deployment timing, the stand down in the CAF, etc. And for all my viper brothers it's all single engine time. I realize the hours aren't the same, and as far as I know their isn't a consistent way of converting between the two. Is 1,000 viper hours equal to 3,000 C-17 PIC hours? What about T-6 IP time or T-38? These days it seems like it is all the extra stuff getting dudes hired (IP/EP, Safety, WIC, AIS... etc. I'm trying to figure out why the kids don't want to be AD fighter pilots as much as they used to when I went through. I don't think you can discount that there is 0% 11F influence in Phase II while the students are at their most impressionable part in their aviation career. What do you think? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Can't really blame him for the classified docs (Hillary defense) but man what a terrible story. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Thanks dudes!!! Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Just to confirm. Twice passed over trumps PCS ADSC correct? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

It's the perfect storm, worse than 2010-2013, because we are running out of Instructors in all airframes, but especially fighters. Shortening the B-courses will only put more strain on the actual combat units. Amazing what driving your people into the ground for 10 years will do. I'm also seeing a large swing in guys that don't want to fly fighters. More guys are putting heavies up near the top. An unforeseen consequence of the lack of 11F presence in Phase II I would imagine as well as the ability to quickly build hours in the MAF. I also see more younger guys already building exit plans from AD. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

This is 2008 all over again. Slamming through as many students as we can find into the 11F pipe, only to be faced with a "2-year wait" for B course and completely shutting the pipeline off for the following 3 years while we played catch up, only to create a bathtub for 11Fs during those year groups while "overmanning" the MAF by 175% and RIFing those groups 2-3 times in the last 8 years. Although this time so many guys are bailing at the 10 year point, there will be no RIF... This s#it is getting old man. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums