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In 5 years there will no longer be a C19 vaccine mandate for the military. Bet a bottle of scotch?

That has certainly not been my experience or observation in AFSOC. Is that a mobility thing?

Maybe they aren't telling the full truth just like everything else with this pandemic? Go try and find Comirnaty somewhere. Like, actually call and see if you can find it, don’t simply google and cite an article saying it’s widely available.

Is it available at your Walmart or CVS? Serious question; it’s not at mine.

Can you find somewhere Comirnaty is available for service members? I’m not being snarky, I have members asking and our Med group can’t find it. Members are receiving orders to take Pfizer with an attached memo stating it’s “chemically identical” to Comirnaty. We’ll by this time there ought to be someone that has received Comirnaty. Do you know of someone who has? It’s just odd it was rebranded at all. Combined with all the other messaging changes, it doesn’t generate confidence.

If “semantics and legalese don’t mean shit” then why didn’t the FDA simply approve Pfizer? Instead they approved Comirnaty, which the manufacturer tells us is chemically identical. Ok. But why not start making Comirnaty here? It’s one of several bizarre decisions that don't make sense to a casual observer… so we’re discussing it. On a discussion board. Yet here you are pissed off about people having a discussion. You are literally taking time to write on a discussion board that people should shut up and stop discussing😂 I don’t find your approach very convincing!

Where in the comment you quoted did I mention this was constrained to the military? Your response assumes a lot. Regarding personal opinions, you’re right they are meaningless when it comes to following military orders but you know where they aren’t meaningless? A discussion board designed to share personal opinions. Some of you guys are high strung.

Sure- our Wing has said if the CDC changes the definition of “fully vaccinated” to include booster shots (which is under discussion), they will be mandatory. We don’t know if that’s going to happen, but the question was asked due to reporting that the definition will change. Here’s a hospital already mandating it: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10148459/New-Jersey-hospital-mandate-BOOSTER-shots-workers-J-J-single-dose-vaccine.html

I’m already hearing talk of mandatory booster shots. The authoritarian aspect of pandemic response is gaining momentum even as the pandemic itself is largely over.

I disagree. If that were true someone would have at least put up a fight for Kabul. When I was an advisor I could never wrap my mind around the guys who would abscond: we send them out of country for training and they just leave. But when they leave they left their families. They were a culture of men who were OK leaving their families behind. There was something fundamentally wrong with them. They lost and they deserved to. We’re the idiots who couldn’t see that obvious truth. Nor could we see that the Taliban, despite being assholes, had the fortitude to take everything we threw at them. The Taliban would see their friends blown in half yet wake up to fight the next day. Our GIROA allies tossed their guns down and fled. Loser culture.

Fair. But there were 80,000 weapons and millions of rounds of ammo sitting in a pile at HKIA that thousands of afghans ran by on their way to jump onto a C17. And the Taliban attack was about 600 on the first day. 10,000+ fighting age men threw down their weapons and ran in terror from 600 Taliban. And asked us to protect them. This is clean cut. This was a cowardly thing and they deserve to lose. And we shouldn’t save them. And US mil who are staying awake at night working ways to save these guys are way off the reservation.

To be clear, I was talking about US mil who think we owe safety to former AFG mil and are advocating for their evacuation and resettlement in the US.

The number of military age males that we evacuated was more than sufficient to defend Kabul, but they never tried. They should have fought, but they ran like cowards. We owe them nothing, and shouldn’t have evacuated anyone. I cannot understand any US military member who thinks we “owe” them safety. They should always have known that fighting for their own country and winning was the only option.

Not true. Show some good faith and hold accountable those who have lied, then I’m willing to hear new info. Fire Fauci. That’s a great starting point for transmission of new info. Hold accountable some of the many journalists who have engaged in the “noble lie” and attempts to deceive. When trust is broken, step 1 to restoration is acknowledging the failure. Step 2 is accountability. Without either of those, we can’t move forward.

Ive also been seeing a lot of stories like this throughout the pandemic, but interestingly none of them have any evidence that withstands casual scrutiny. Was there a single unvaccinated person quoted in your article about what unvaccinated people say? Or just a handful of cherry picked doctors and administration officials? Was there airtime given to anyone who could articulate an opposing viewpoint, or were they simply relying on authority to tel you what you should think while characterizing opposition as ignorant? This far into our pandemic with so much obvious propaganda, I’m disappointed you wouldn’t exercise a little more critical thinking coming across obvious propaganda pieces like that. What’s surprising to me reading that link, is anyone would view that without skepticism in light of so many similar yet debunked stories.

Those on the ground on day last did the best they could. Situation totally fucked. Blame lies with every leader who let us keep going without an obtainable objective for years.

Interesting to hear the perspective from Gates. He thinks he has the credibility to throw stones, and doesn’t realize what a loser he is.

My wife & I both got it. It’s fine I guess. Felt a bit under the weather for a day then got over it, NBD. We both still got COVID afterwards so it’s totally bogus, but that’s par for the course on this issue. If you’re just looking to check the box, J&J does it faster than the others.

Yea, then it sounds like Pfeizer shouldn’t be equivalent to Comirnaty and DOD did that to make this order fast & immediately enforceable. If all those variables matter to the FDA, maybe they matter?

At one time slavery was the law. And internment of innocent Japanese. And prohibition. And obeying the British crown. And segregation. Etc. But people resisted unjust laws and eventually the laws changed. What’s interesting here is these aren’t even laws. These are edicts that never passed the legislature. And are clearly controversial. Yet you’re in absolute glee watching peoples livelihoods wrecked as they voice dissent. You’re usually a smart dude whose posts I enjoy; don’t always agree with but I know you’ve thought it through. So as a thinking person, watching the “science” change as efficacy shrinks to months, seeing the slow leak of info about the origins which contradicts the certainty of “expert” opinions, watching flip-flop-Fauci, seeing the hypocrisy of democratic leaders who say one thing but act totally different when folks aren’t watching…. I have to ask you: do you think these posts will age well? Do you think 3 years from now your smug condescension will still seem justified?

I was told by Med Group Comirnaty will not be available in the US (at least for DOD, I didn’t ask about the country writ large). Military members are ordered to take the FDA approved vaccine, and Pfiezer is “chemically identical” per company literature, therefore they are ordered to take Pfiezer. It begs the question why Pfiezer isn’t the FDA approved vaccine; why the rebranding and lack of availability in the United States? And why are we trusting company literature? The FDA made no claim that Pfiezer was identical. Feels like a bait and switch.

What exactly is skills bridge?

Then why are vaccines being pushed over treatment

Agreed. Our losses if we intervened would be staggering. There’s no appetite. If the Chinese invade, we’d sit and watch while wringing our hands, just like we did when Ukraine was invaded by Russia.

If China were going to attack Taiwan, there’s never been a better time than now.