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So... he blew a .07? ...but got out of the DWI because he was stopped at a checkpoint rather than being pulled over? Rog... Sounds like this guy is shitting horse shoes and dodged a bullet.

The actual law is below for those who care to read. But looking at the scenario this brings up good questions. As Azimuth says, since it isn't the same, how should the individual be dealt with within a squadron. If it was through the gate, and the DWI sticks, do you treat it the same? What if the DWI gets thrown out for said "Hamming"? LOR for poor decision making or even an Art. 15? Just curious on how anyone would play the punishment game or if they even would... https://www.ncdd.com/dui-laws-in-your-state/usa/oklahoma DWI (Driving While Intoxicated) – 47 O.S. § 761 (This is a lesser offense than DUI) Any person who operates a motor vehicle his ability to operate the motor vehicle is impaired by the consumption of alcohol or any other substance. The penalty is a fine of $100.00-$500.00 and/or 0-6 months in county jail. A first time conviction also carries a 30 day license revocation. Elements of Driving with Impaired Ability: It must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was Driving A motor vehicle Upon public roads, highways, streets, turnpikes, other public places or upon any private road, street, alley or lane which provides access to one or more single or multi-family dwellings With impaired ability Due to alcohol or an intoxicating substance. For persons twenty-one years of age or older evidence that there was, at the time of the test, an alcohol concentration in excess of five hundredths (0.05) but less than eight- hundredths (0.08) is relevant evidence that the person's ability to operate a motor vehicle was impaired by alcohol. 47 O.S. § 756. Thus, if alcohol test, must be .06 or .07 BAC.

goPro is about to have an IPO. Anyone have thoughts? Or know of any dates? Swhc, luv, F and AAL have all paid off pretty well recently. Looking for another avenue under $30/share Initial reports for GPRO are to expect around ~$24/share Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Sounds pretty cut and dry. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Yes... Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and start debating legal definitions on how this jackass drove impaired. He wasn't sober. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

So wait, a CC call in blues is mass punishment... But an hr of briefings from adapts and pbs special video presentations telling us not to drink and drive... Or as you call it increased training and or awareness isn't? Where is the line that is the number that's unpreventable? I realize we have to say the only acceptable numbers of DUI or DWI is always zero... But the reality is the lowest average will never be less than one. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Agreed. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

I don't see your point... you're saying because we, military folk who make acronyms for everything, use an acronym to describe a few nationally accepted acronyms that these events are worse than they were before the term "ARI" came to fruition? YGBFKM... the issue here isn't the elevation of how bad a DUI is (although I don't think society takes it serious enough) it's how to prevent them within our own society. These actions affect the mission, more so than just stripped qualifications and punishments that affect individual morale. You don't want to be in a unit that has an ARI that results in a death or paralysis (I use the acronym just for you). I agree that events shouldn't be ARI because someone had just one beer, but I'm sure stats show that often isn't the case. Regardless, I see the sarcasm in your post but I have a feeling there is some seriousness in the first two lines.

Well put. I agree that no visibility doesn't mean things aren't being done. But an appearance of 4 DUI's in the first 6 months of a year in your OG and having visible action definitely will draw attention of upper brass. Azimuth makes it sound as if the this Sq/CC is top notch and that attention is given to the subject and the people. But Nsplayers post makes it seem that one DUI means a CC should be fired and that s/he can't lead. I think we're just highlighting a problem in the Air Force that is absolutely uncontrollable occurrence without extreme action. Maybe a one and done, immediate departure from the AF will be enough of a deterrent?

It does. And its heavily utilized. There's a drunk bus that works off of tips that swings by the club and charlie's too. And there are cabs that hang out of the only bar in town. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

So you would have the member (in service blues maybe?) address everyone early Monday morning and the explain or tell the story to a early am CC call? I'm not sure what "next day" action you can really do. This individual at fault has a pretty packed schedule the following duty day after this shitstorm occurs. And don't forget, no action by CC's will make them look poorly. These guys have to protect their careers as well. But since you see it as a punishment Social, how many days do you wear your blues that you aren't forced to? We do this to ourselves. I'm assuming you'd bitch if blues Monday came back even if it wasn't a punishment. And I'll follow that up with I don't wear blues unless req'd. But its the status quo we've created. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

So are we considering this punishment or refocus on professionalism? What should the response be from an OG & SQ commander level? I've never been there so I'm not sure the pain level in this failure, but is public humiliation an option? Or maybe a call that says what the punishment will be showing zero tolerance? Or is that even legal. And my last question is, did John Q miss the mark on this one? It doesn't sound like a punishment to me. It sounds like commanders scrambling to find and fix a reoccuring leak. Are commanders taking this personal? Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Just looking for peoples insights and commentary from a more involved group than the retired hacks that flood John Q's message board with stories from the 80's. https://www.facebook.com/jqpublic The most recent/popular article is about Altus' OG/CC requiring mandatory blues this following monday for a DUI that occurred at the front gate this past friday night. To my knowledge, this was the fourth DUI in the OG this month, and these are from cadre for the FTU. Thoughts on the blues being "punishment" vs "a refocus on professionalism"? And the best way to approach from a leadership perspective to actually get people to follow and preventing DUI's? At this point it's obvious falling on def ears. Article Below "The leadership follies continue in AETC, this time at Altus. Apparently, the Operations Group Commander there, dismayed by an alcohol-related incident, has ordered everyone to wear blues on Monday as punishment. I can recall a time in the Air Force when uniforms were a source of collective pride. In the last decade, they've devolved into a running joke, and now, a source of collective shame. Blues . . . as punishment? How does that work exactly? Is that what AFI 1-2 says? I can also recall a time when commanders would never use a blunt tool like this one outside of the basic or technical training environments. Those days are long gone. Airmen will now apparently have their working conditions molded around the actions of the few dumbasses who will always choose to step over the line. By the way, Altus is losing so many instructors between now and the end of the FY that the wing has been reportedly begging everyone from operational wings to the Avon Lady to help fill the gaps and keep training running on time. Commanders in the field, unable to pitch in more manpower, are bound to suggest less training, which would slow upgrade cycles across the force and potentially impact readiness as well as professional development and assignment flows. Seems like, some might argue, the focus should be on keeping instructors motivated and productive. This is not the way to do it. This just pisses off everyone who follows the rules. They exercise more precision in their daily jobs than their boss seems capable of exercising in his basic approach to dealing with disciplinary issues. Sometimes, rashes of disciplinary issues are a reflection of morale. Courses of action that reduce morale even further will only lead to more incidents."

Looks like the FY15 Schedule may be up. No signed PDF but someone posted a screen shot. Dates below for those interested in possible schedule/rumor mill 15-01 - 8/6-10/10 15-02 - 9/17-11/21 15-03 - 10/15-12/19 15-04 - 1/7-3/13 15-05 - 2/11-4/16 15-06 - 3/18-5/21 15-07 - 5/27-7/31 https://www.airforceots.com/portal/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=30207&start=75

Capt. Sensitivity in the house.

Says who? I'm a recent select who's applied for PC. My unit has told me to expect a OTS date prior to the new year from what they have for projections.

So... did Dover get a sweep or not? Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Try Again...

The 1200 enlisted aircrew were announced before this drawback was announced anyway. 1900 is totally possible.

Figures it would post after leave started for holidays. If anyone could post those matrices it'd be appreciated!

Nothing on the enlisted side?!

I wondered the same thing. Maybe he's related to Gen. Welsh? Or he runs a grape juice factory...

Your VSP will be considered a bonus I believe. You'll be out within half the year anyway so it shouldn't make much difference, especially if you were deployed earlier in the year. If you get pay to leave AD, you get the money. Not sure if you can palace chase but unless they add more rules, you get to keep what they give you. Thats my logic at least.

I heard afsc's released on the 19th through rumor mill. Merry Christmas...