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The following was an E-Mail written by a good friend of mine in response to all of this. This amazing guy enlisted as a Marine, served in the USAF Reserves while going through college, and is now a Navy Lt. (He refuses to try the Army stating "Three out of four ain't bad".) I thought it was put together well enough to post out on here.

And now, on a lighter note, this is without a doubt, Chia Pet's finest hour. In a store near you NOW! (Except Wallgreens, they pulled it off the shelves) (Couldn't get the .gif to animate in here, but if you click on it, it works)

Six years 'till I retire, six years 'till I retire, six years 'till I retire...Must....Hold....Out.

This sounds like an excellent case for an IG complaint, or ADC. I have a feeling this would get squashed really quickly.

OUCH, my head hurts just trying to figure out if he's joking or not.

Oh no, by all means, please respond NOW!

Yes Sir, Mr. M2

From www.thecrewdogs.com A great web comic if you have not seen it.

No drinking period. It came from a Marine three star general... One of the guard units (Go New Hampshire, you guys rock!) already tried to rock the boat with the lawfull order. Long story short, it's still in place. Totally but I have no right to bitch about drinking when there are dudes in the desert putting up with much more crap than I am.

Don't get your hopes up. There is a "No drinking" policy in effect for SOUTHcom right now. It is still soundly in effect and has not gone away since it was enacted in December. The dudes in the desert are allowed to drink more than we are down here.

I gave a composite knock-off. It was part of a batch of "Back pay" that was issued to my father upon arriving at Clark AB en route home from Hanoi so that he could have some "Spending money". I had a real silver one to give out in a nice case and everything, but when he commissioned me, Dad handed that thing to me and said "Give this to Kim" (My first salute). It was an un-polished composite "Silver" dollar from 1973 that Dad had obviously put into a cheap plastic holder he got at a coin store... Didn't have time to ask any questions during the whole ceremony, but I gave it to the SSgt who had come up for my ceremony. Later when Dad told us the story of where that coin came from we were stunned. I thought giving a crappy composite dollar was okay in that situation.

Amazing program. HBO just won themselves another subscriber when I get home.

Anyone know how to get on this detail? What a fantastic way to pay respect to those who gave the ultimate.

REVIVAL from the WAYBACK machine!! #1 Glider time + 20 hours of power (At the time) got me the top score on the PCSM. #2 In light of Capt. Sully, I think people are going to be taking a closer look at glider time in the near future. #3 WOW, am I bored right now to be replying to a thread from five years ago.

She's going to get along here just fine.

That's funny right thar.

You all knew it was on it's way... From the first moment "Jive talk" was mentioned. So, without further wait, here it is! Discus, dat's beat up, the cut rate bit, and it ain't coming on that tab! Brother beefed it up the full blew their wigs version! And what do YOU mean "YOU people?!?" Dig! M2

We are glad to do it! It has become quite clear we need to bring back everyone who was in the USAF during the 70's and 80's as consultants. The first step for you guys would be to have a sit down with anyone wearing two stripes or less, or two bars or less. This sit down would be done with a "Wack'in stick in hand. The next thing you guys would do is sit down with everyone 7 stripes or more, and one star and up. Same wack'in stick, same goal: Beat some f'ing sense into today's USAF! Thanks again, Mac!

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"2" There are thousands of people out there who would give any part of their anatomy to be in YOUR shoes. YOU are the "Chosen ones". Back in the tweet days, the IP's reached over, grabbed your O2 hose and pinched it closed while they were telling you something. This was to ensure you listened. Hell, I think it's kind of funny AND a good lesson you guys have to do this. I too, don't agree with the presentation of the concept, but the concept itself is a sound one. Bear with it, laugh at the craziness of having to do this, and learn from it while you are doing it. It's AETC, you want some wings, and AETC has what you want.

Agreed, "Crew" is subject to definition. I have a mental image from AWACS of AC, Co, Nav, Eng, so forgive me there... As far as the tankers go, once again, I must plead limited experience. I had two rides on 135's out at Red Flag, so I'll admit that does not give me much basis for your airframe. I can also see how flying with them would be a hinderance. Even at IAB where the 135's still have Nav's, they don't fly with them all the time. You throw an extra crew member on board "As needed" and it's going to result in huge SA suck. I think the "Occasional Nav" is the worst idea ever. You need to either have the body on the plane all the time so you're used to working with him, or off the plane all together. What I did see on my two flights was the Boom taking care of all the paperwork that could/should have been taken care of by a Nav. I also saw two sets of pilots get almost sent into "The container" by the AWACS controllers (Damn them). One caught it early, the others caught it at the last second as they were busy talking to 4 different flights of aircraft and figuring out who was getting gas since a 2 ship of F-15's who were to get the gas had to ground abort. To put it mildly those guys were BUSY trying to un-F-ck everything and fly the jet at the same time. A Nav could have handled keeping the jet where it needed to be, or the radios, or getting the track set up in the computer while the pilots did what they are there to do...Keep the damn jet in the air safely. I think the reduction of work load provided by a Nav in jets that have plenty of space for one (Hence my "All heavy aircraft" law from CSAF thread) is more than worth it. When you have crews doing the deployment rates we have now, along with the length of the missions for most heavies, a Nav would be a welcome SA enhancer. On the ground, consider that when you have 6 to 9 CBT's that have to be done each week, and all the other queep required to remain current, it never hurts to have someone "In charge" of the paperwork and planning... And another body in the squadron to help out since they took CSS and every damn thing else away from us is always welcome. That's all I got, and my reasoning behind wanting to put a Nav back on the jets. I don't think that you can change peoples minds on the topic. Everyone I have run into seems to be clearly "For" or "Against" the Nav... But it sure does make a good topic of discussion! B

Cross feed from CSAF debate. The quote is Slacker's response to my suggestion that Nav's are put back on every heavy aircraft. I thought it was more appropriate to move that discussion here so as not to muddle the CSAF thread. Hell, at least my first move would not be to put everyone in their blues on Monday! Apparently, according to you, my staff failed me when they offered that suggestion, but I'm not convinced. Care to expand on that? I have always been a huge fan of the crew concept. I love having folks up front to back me up, BS with on the long missions, and generally increase SA. Granted, some Nav's are not the best in the world, but then again, some AC's/Co's are not the best, either. (I have never met a bad Eng, so I can't speak to that). You do the same thing with all these people - Either tune them out, or double check everything they have to say. I do believe that that is the exception rather than the rule. I think that their training pipeline is really screwed up right now, and the individual FTU's have to do extra work to build a good Nav, who is able to do what they want from the product Randolph produces. On a side note, is there a separate "To Nav or not to Nav" thread out there?

Nah, that's a good story! If you never hooked a ride, good on 'ya! As long as you include a story along with it to explain how you did it! Anyway, as a side note, one of my buddies in my class (Sure as hell wasn't me) missed THREE questions on the exams during UPT. My jaw about hit the floor when I heard that at graduation. I knew he was good (Never hooked a ride, etc) but I never knew he was THAT good. He never said a word about it, just pushed his way through and was always willing to help other folks out. He is flying C-21's out of Germany now.

There ya go! Now someone may have learned something! If I recall, learning in this game we play with our Uncle's toys, is a good thing! Have one on me, Hoss.

Wow, what an articulate and informative post, Hoss! I'm so glad you were here to help everyone with your finely honed skills. I'm sure the STUD's here in this forum learned a lot! Perhaps you could expand on this post a bit, or would you prefer to keep preforming fellatio on yourself for everyone? Personally, I hooked Final Contact for GK and table top EP's. There are so many ways to go wrong, it's not even funny!! It always feels like a swift kick to the balls, but then again, UPT is nothing but one prolonged kick to the junk. Hang in there and remember, just keep hitting the alligator that is closest to the boat and don't look back at the dead ones, you'll be fine.