disgruntledemployee

Picts of Fogel with his wife???!!! You are ....

Once upon a time when my movers were packing up the moving semi trailer, the driver saw my cars and offered to load one up for a small fee, just between us. It was a chance thing, but you may be able to set something like that up on your own with your contract moving carrier once you know who it is. I declined since we needed both vehicles for the move.

Me too. I was guessing that Liquid is a recent retiree along with a few other recent posters that came out of the wookwork. Perhaps upper management was directive in getting a few to join the conversation rather than just listen. Perhaps they think the forum has sway and influence. Yes, good dudes self eliminate and schmucks make the cut, but that is not my emphasis in this thread. If I hit the wayback machine and allow myself to quote thyself, I've posted that the promotion game sucks. However, I will conceed the following. 1. This last Maj board was somewhat different in that checkboxes were not as heavily weighed in the past, but they were still weighed. 2. I'm glad to hear that more emphasis is being put on job performance. 3. Grading people is not easy. But: 1. At levels below the DP giver, raters use spreadsheets and on those spreadsheets are boxes and those boxes are given values. When a perfect PT test heavily outweighs DG in a formal program, priorities are fucked up. People looking for promotion will put emphasis on those areas that gain them the most. Do you have a fix for that one? 2. DP givers still hold the weight on the promotion system with the DP. If they think that the masters and PME are more important, that is where they go. I've seen it over and over and even on this last Maj board. You call it self eliminate. I and others call it mismatched priorities. When will the AF mask AAD for Maj and below? Lastly, shoving things up my ass is no go. The mil may say its OK, but not me. I'm fed up with the current scheme and when I hear it here of all places, emotions fly. Life in the trenches Out

Tell ya what. List some background on yourself such as the current staff job you're doing and the exec jobs you fanagelled. Our peers would do a much better job at picking the best leaders for promotion than our DP givers. Thats because we know the assholes playing the games, kissing ass, and maneuvering for promotion. You know what, I really don't care what you think. And I don't see anyone else here sharing your views. Just try not to infect those around you too much. Out.

Ha! The top 20% are often the best box checkers and ass kissers around. The fix: assign a few grey beard LTCs/Majs to each unit. When it comes time to give out PRFs, the Beard Council meets. With a beer in one hand and a poker hand in the other, the council racks and stacks the future leaders of the Air Force. Do this at every base and then we'll see some interesting things change. Assholes and ass kissers will get left in the dust. Words like "knows his shit" "takes care of the crew" "hacks the mish" "runs a solid ____ shop" "always mission ready" "mentors the new kids" will replace words like "AAD complete as 2Lt" "did PME 1st day available" "1st vol to run the CFC" and so on. Real quantifiers. Sadly, our system is like a dog chasing its tail. Our Sq/CCs and up got promoted on this system and that is what they push because its what their bosses use when they sit on a board. If a CC goes rogue and off-script, the DP givers (mosly) and boards discount the strays. The only way out is to replace the system with people that don't care about box checking AADs, etc because we know that doesn't really make anyone a better leader. The Beard Council may sound like a joke, but think about it for a minute. Out

Looks like its humping itself.

Ugh. Just Fucking Ugh. The dude was chiefing. I called it out. As I said in another post, police your own. Chiefing, definition: How can you do X if you can't wear your reflective belt? Out

I was showing the good man that he was applying that age old chief sentiment many have used against us. Police your own. Out

Copy all. No bonus required. AF is all rainbows and glittery unicorns. My point is this, plain and clear. Dude A that stays in a takes the bonus makes more money that dude B, the guy that stays in without a bonus. Dude C gets out a goes airline. Dude A is pacing better than dude B with respect to dude C. Now lets make the bonus even bigger. Now the pace is better by X. My 3rd question is actually a question, you know, for answering. I don't imply anything by asking it. I don't know the acurate answer and I don't care to figure it out. But there is an ETP. Any potential bonus takers might be working to figure that out and perhaps continue the good life of rainbows and glittery unicorns. But I guess you don't want an improved bonus available to any of our brothers. I'd love to see an improved option available to those that want to stay, whatever their reason. Do you? Out

And if you can't wear your uniform properly, how can you get flying right? You go, all-star. Out

I was trying to make a quick point, but I guess we need to break it down. 1. So the AF doesn't care about initial take rates? Enlighten us. 2. So who paces pay better verus the airline guy, the guy that stays in with or without the bonus? With the 5 year or the up to 10 year bonus? 3. Where is the break even point in time with the guy that gets out to airline and the guy that stays in with the 5 year bonus? Now where is that ETP with more bonus out to 20? Don't forget the shitty airline pay for the first few years. 4. What would you rather our brothers have available to them, a 25K/5yr deal or 25K/up to 20yr deal? Out

Fine. The "Muslim hacking up citizens" rate is higher in the UK than it is in the US. The terrorist muslims had a gun with them while committing the terrorist act. The UK bans guns. The terrorists/criminals clearly didn't follow the gun ban law. Maybe the muslim hacking rate is lower in the US because many of our citizens have guns. Gun controllist claim: banning guns will make the US safer. My counter claim, "Bullshit!" On a side point, I can see the "pushing and shoving," "fist fight," and "stick and stones" rates increasing in the UK soon. Out

A 10 year plan does make better sense than a 5 or 7 as they it offers better competition with potential airline pay. Its about getting more people to take the bonus in the first place. Now if they can somehow make it tax free. Oh wait, that's what deployments and 365s are for. Out

For the rest of my Herk brothers, I can hold speculation until the report comes out. I will read and learn from it just like I learned from the Al Jabber (sp?) the crash after takeoff from Baghdad, the class A that happened last year in AFG in a similar situation (porpoised assault landing), and even the recent 747 crash. What I will offer is that calling the go around is easier said than done for some reasons. If its looking ugly, I think (and hope) all of us will call the go. But sometimes the bad approach is overlooked, its called late and no one reacts (Jabber). Sometimes, it looks OK until the flare, they bounce and the pilot stops flying and rides it in. The DO, CC, Stan/eval, etc are not sitting on the bunk for every flight to keep an eye out on the newer and inexperienced. They see the dangers and talk about them all the time. I think they are so fucking relieved when they finally rotate home with everyone thay brought out thinking that they cheated the reaper. And its because the experience is so much lower that it used to be and gets lower every year. "You go to war with what you have" was a true statement, especially when it comes to people. DOs will do their best with what they have, talk to guys every mission, then pray that the kids show good judgement and enough skill to bring everyone back each day. It's a very tough fight to get/keep the people you need--AFPC/career progression get in the way. Out

I feel sorry for the people that have to work with you. If you are indeed in this flying business, good luck. Try not to kill anyone. Karma is a bitch! <-- that means that one day you will fuck up big and someone will look at your posts and conclude, that figures. Out

You can't bitch slap earth and not expect earth to hit back with a swift and furious vengeance! You gotta be nice to earth, kiss her gently. Ask permission, touch her in the right spot with the correct amount of pressure, with the correct configuration, and both you and earth will be very happy. Any trolls out there can start the debate on PME/AAD/Etc. I'm going with the "you need hands in this business" arguement. Oh, and judgement. And maybe an Eng. Out

Oh, and there is no such thing as a FAIP in Herk world, so there goes that excuse for a SOF. And no snappy 1Lts out there teaching AP skillz, so there goes that reason for a SOF. If WX gets bad, we can shoot any ILS down to mins, so there goes the WX excuse for a SOF. So the blanket rule that AETC units must have a SOF is silly. Caesar may now ban me. Out

If I wanted George to have all the fun, I would have joined a different club.

MX gets bashed over the head via metrics that some pencil neck back office weenie manipulates. When various percentages look red, Sr MX get all spun up. So there is high incentive to fudge and cheat to their advantage. The Ops side fighting MX over delays and cancels is just us fighting back against that stupid mentality and/or let MX try to walk all over Ops. When the worker bee level cooperates and takes action to get the mish done, it had better be in accordance with the MX rules. Example, "hey chief, this gage is out." If it gets swapped out with one from the truck without the chief/crew doing a write-up and big supervision finds out, get ready for a nut pounding. I swear that some of the crap that staff-level A4 pushes down leads me to believe that they've gone full ape shit retard. SOF. Ours don't really do much. Every AETC plane is full of instructors and thus rarely insert themselves into EPs. The DOs handle any Ops/MX issues with lates/aborts/cancels. Out

It depends. Hop aboard and I'll show you how they work when you use the urinal. Out

Go Around! Go Around! Go Around! Go Around! Go Around! Go Around! Go Aound! Well, you might land one of these days. You might want to get it right before you run out of gas! Thanks Eng! Out

I think Mr Hagel needs to ask Hollywood and the entertainment industry to stop what they are doing. He should then visit the household of each kid that might potentially enter the military and take away their mags/posters/DVDs of Transformers/Porkys I, II, & III/cable TV and the internet. That should take care of the issue. Meanwhile, I'm offended that I they think that I can't control myself and that a picture of a bikini lady will turn me into a monster the moment I see it. I guess I can't go to the beach anymore. What's next, thought police?! Out

From the site that had the initial picts. What started as interest in what might have caused this turned to anger as all these dipshits walked all over the wreakage area, and likely the dusty remains of our fallen brothers. A toast Out

While my experience of runaway trim has been simulator only, they were noticed, counter-acted, and controllable. That video and description of the crash really fits sudden CG shift to the tail, such as a heavy rolling vehicle breaking loose when the plane rotates a solid 10 degrees nose up for take off, then probably increasing to 15 degrees once airborne. Sudden CG shift is something that we don't practice in the sim. Capt Sully made a remarkable landing in the river and I believe he was able to do so because he thought about it and perhaps even practiced it in the sim. While cargo breaking free on takeoff doesn't happen often, this accident higlights that danger and if we try to practice recognizing it and recovering from it, we might have a fighting chance. I really hope the company is able to recover the FDR and CVR and can show us what the plane was doing and what the crew tried to do to recover. My next trip to the sim will include a shift in CG if they can set it up. Out

Sorry pal, I don't work recruiting stations and I'm not likely to sit on O-4/5/6 promotion boards, so I don't have a say in selecting who gets into the AF or pick for promotion (directly). I do however get to pick people to do things and take charge of things and so on, and I don't consult a diversity decision tree to do so. Therefore, I don't care. And I hold no illusion that a post on BO.net will make the change you seek. Therefore, again, I don't care. Now if you're so emotional over this topic, write a letter. Or submit a suggestion to the AF Saves website as a way to save money. Out