Timbonez

What Stunna said... the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

Damn... to him

I mentioned a few days ago in this thread that I got a brand new SIG P220 Carry for $779 after shipping (with Mil discount) from Atlantic Tactical. It comes with night sights and 3 magazines instead of the standard 2. Tack on whatever your local dealer charges for a FFL transfer and you could have a SIG for less than or a little over $800. MSRP on the model I got is $1050 and I've seen gun stores selling this exact model for $920-$950 (that's before tax and only 2 magazines). They also have good deals on other brands. Anyway, with the mil discount from there and the Cash for Klunker that BF posted, you could have a brand new SIG for $600+. I also have a P239 in .40 S&W.

Nice shooting. Was that from the bench?

Some people like the look of the shorter barrel, but don't want to deal the stamp tax for a SBR. They lose velocity, but that's a choice some are willing to make. There are those that like making retro builds of XM177s and permanently attach an oversized moderator. The more modern looking builds with the short barrel and longer flash hiders, I would bet, don't sell well. Everyone want's the M4 style carbine with the M203 notch cut in the barrel (which is totally useless for non Mil/LE and reduces the rigidity of the barrel). To a lot of people their AR-15s are more about aesthetics than being the tool it actually is.

Nice rifle, Krabs. I love my M6A1. With that rifle, the Trijicon and the Troy stuff you've spent a lot of money. I hope you left some for ammo! Enjoy it.

Fred, it wasn't direct from SIG but from this place, Atlantic Tactical. They come with 3 magazines and night sights (which I think are useless, but if I get them I don't mind). It was $779 after shipping. I called them up and talked to a sales rep. She had me email a scanned copy of my Mil ID to her and she also needed a copy of a local FFL. Lucky for me they already had the one I was using on file. The total process took about 10 minutes for me. If your local FFL is good, they won't charge you an arm and a leg for the transfer fee, so you could easily get it for around $800. MSRP on the model I got is $1050. It's an expensive gun, but I've been impressed with my other SIG (a sub-compact P239 in .40) that I wanted another SIG. And since I am out of state where they ship, I didn't have to worry about tax. They also have 229s there. This was the best price I could find on an available SIG lately. To put it in perspective, a local gun shop where I am is selling this same model with night sights for $920 before tax and about $1000 after tax and background check. They're overpriced IMO Gunbroker might have similar prices for a brand new gun, but it won't come with 3 mags and they won't come with NS at that price. I've seen other websites offer the same SIG in the same configuration at prices around and lower than what I got it for, but they've been out of stock for over a year now (I'm assuming the price will go up once they do have them in stock). Anyway, SIGs are expensive but they're great firearms. They also have a bunch of other guns like Glocks for $439 before shipping.

Just bought a new .45 today... a SIG P220 Carry with a military discount too!

I guess he'll figure it out the first time he shoots it. Changing the grips would probably help him. I changed the grips on my model 36 to give me more purchase, and it helped with recoil management. That being said, my model 19 is the smallest handgun I'd use for .357 magnum.

Nice SKS, M2. Looks just like mine. As for the S&W AirLite, I would never shoot .357 out of that... too painful and follow up shots would be non-existent. I have a S&W Model 36 that I like to carry sometimes, and it get's painful just shooting .38 special +P out of it (8.4 oz heavier than the airlite).

Pics of my AR-15 pistol that I said I would put up a while ago. The discoloration on the left side of the upper is from oil seeping out. I had it in storage for a little bit while I was still in the BOQ on Randolph. LMT 10.5" upper receiver BCM BCG Anvil Arms stripped lower receiver RRA LPK ACE receiver extenstion Spike's Tactical ST-T2 buffer Troy single point sling

Technically Bill Murray and Harold Ramis fight the Russians in this movie so it counts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM

Great movie and a very powerful scene... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEQnMfh91r4&fmt=18 Also, this thread should be tagged as a "classic" like the Gun, Demotivational Poster, and Avatar ones.

- "Official" but biased - Easier to understand for those who attended the University of Alabama

M2, do you know any or of any gunsmiths in San Antonio? I have this Colt Combat Commander that needs some work. The smith I took it to did some of the fitting but didn't have enough time to finish as I am leaving P'cola tomorrow. You can't tell too well in the picture but the slide flats are the standard polished blue. The slide assembly (all original Colt parts) sits on an Essex frame that has a flat blue color. The frame is made up of Colt factory parts and Wilson Combat parts. Thanks.

Uh yeah.

Sweet, stoleit. Did you build the lower or did you buy it complete? I actually made it to the range today. I cleaned out my safe the other day so the movers could take it, and I found 50 rounds of .44 magnum. So I decided today would be a good range day for my Smith & Wesson Model 29 and my LWRC AR-15 and it was. 7-15 yards with the S&W and 50, 100, and 200 yards with the LWRC, but now it's time to clean them.

I'd probably hit it, but I don't think I would jump off a cruise ship for her.

Krabs, I am glad I could help. The LMT Defender is an outstanding AR. But since you're going with the M6A2... you won't be disappointed with that rifle. I wasn't sure if I wanted to send you to AR15.com or not. A lot of them are fan boys who will take every opportunity to put down other people's purchases, but it's usually easy to see what's good info and what's bad info there. Let me know how your purchase goes and make sure you buy more magazines and ammo to feed it. I've been in such a gun buying craze lately I've made myself poor. I've decided to back off a bit and now I'm just going to focus on getting ammo and working more on marksmanship. As a side note, the DEA has recently allowed their agents to buy LWRC M6A2s at a discounted price with some extra goodies.

I own a LWRC M6A1 (BTW, all LWRC rifles are piston driven, including the M6). LWRC's 14.7" barrels are legal because they pin the flash hider which brings the overall barrel length back to the minimum 16" without requiring a tax stamp. Is this your first AR? What do you plan to use it for? If it's your first, I'd suggest getting a DI gun. Every company that puts out a piston AR has their own proprietary system, which means you will need to rely on that company for piston specific parts for your rifle. Between the two rifles, the Ruger is very attractive because of the extra goodies you get for the price. You get a Troy rail, 3 pmags, the BUIS, and some rail covers. You should be able to find a Ruger for around $1500, which is a good price for a complete piston gun, especially with the the accessories it comes with. That being said, the LWRC has the better twist rate barrel for heavier defensive and target loads (i.e. 69+ grs.). LWRC has more experience with the piston system as the Ruger is new as of May this year. If you decide to go the DI route the Colt 6920 is the rifle that all others are judged by. It's the closest to mil-spec that a "civilian" can get. That doesn't mean there aren't other companies that hit the nail on the head when it comes to a top tier AR. You can't go wrong with Noveske, LMT, Knight's Armament, BCM... and there are a plethora of others that I can name. Go here AR15.com and ask your question. There are some DBags there, but you will get the information you're looking for and you will learn a lot about that AR that you didn't realize existed. Knowing what I know now I would do this as my first AR purchase: BCM 16" midlength gas upper $475 BCM Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group $160 CavArms Midlength Handguards $20 BCM Forged Charging Handle $24 Troy Rear BUIS $140 Denny's Complete Lower Receiver $335 Total: $1154 before shipping and the transfer for the lower, so round up to $1200. It would be a little cheaper if you bought a stripped lower and built it with a lower parts kit and receiver extension. That's a top tier rifle and would be a better choice than the M&P. There is nothing wrong with the M&P. It's a good rifle, but not to the same level as what I showed you. This is just an example and you should buy something you're comfortable and familiar with. There are so many choices when it comes to purchasing or building an AR it's easy to get overwhelmed. Spend some time on AR15.com and you will learn a lot. As I said before, however, I suggest you buy a DI AR first and then get a piston one if you so choose. If you already own a DI gun, then disregard everything I said and go with the LWRC, but I think you'd be happy with the Ruger as well. The people who own it on AR15 enjoy theirs.

Juan,

Sweet! Can't wait.

M2, is it normal for it to be empty like that on a Saturday morning? If so, that's great. I like having the range to myself. The two ranges "close" to Pensacola are almost always packed open-close on the weekends.

... or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.