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He is referring to the MC-130H Talon II as not being able to be dropped to pipeline nav right now.

It made the Enquirer https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/09/..._blues_090508w/ Schwartz orders airmen in blue on Mondays By Erik Holmes - Staff writer Posted : Friday Sep 5, 2008 7:48:21 EDT Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz is requiring most airmen to wear their service dress uniforms every Monday beginning Sept. 8, according to a Sept. 4 memo he sent to all service members. Airmen had been allowed — and later required — to wear their airman battle uniforms, battle dress uniforms or flight suits to the office. The policy change came out of an Aug. 27 leadership summit convened by Schwartz and acting Secretary Michael Donley at Bolling Air Force Base in Washington, D.C. “Post-9/11, we’ve moved away from our blue uniforms almost altogether and have transformed into an Air Force that wears our utility uniform on a daily basis,” Schwartz said in the memo. “During our recent 4-star summit, we had several discussions concerning our uniforms ... [and] we all agreed that part of our image, culture and professionalism is instilled in our blues.” The policy will not apply to all airmen. For some career fields — presumably in messy jobs such as maintenance and for personnel who often work outdoors, such as security forces — wearing blues won’t make sense. Pilots will wear dress blues on Mondays when they are not flying. The decisions on who will continue to wear ABUs and BDUs on Mondays will be left up to base commanders. The current practice of airmen wearing ABUs and BDUs almost all the time originated under Gen. John Jumper, the chief of staff at the time of the 2001 terrorist attacks. Then, in summer 2003, Jumper directed that airmen begin to return to service dress as the uniform of the day. But Gen. T. Michael Moseley reversed that decision when he became chief of staff in late 2005, arguing that the nation was still at war and that airmen should dress like it. He said at the time that his decision was closely related to his effort to instill a “war-fighting ethos” in Air Force culture, one of his main priorities as chief. To read more about the reasons behind the policy change, pick up a copy of Air Force Times’ Sept, 15 issue, on newsstands beginning Monday.

I feel sorry for those that have to spend an extended amount of time there. As for guys like me that are just passing through waiting to catch a ride downrange, I like to keep a low profile and avoid any sh!t lists and just comply and get the hell out of that place. It's easier than the headaches.

No matter how far you get in career progression there will always be the people you look up to (and are not accepted as part of yet). Think about it..... As a cadet you looked up to those that got commissioned. As a butter bar you looked up to those that had already started UPT.... then to those that got to wear flight suits instead of blues... eventually those that had earned their wings. Once you had wings you looked up to those that had were already in the FTU ahead of you and eventually those that finished the FTU before. From there the dude that you aspire to be will be the one that has more deployments/hours than you. Then eventually the STAN/EVAL dudes or something like that, etc. BL: You just have to start by getting accepted into your peer group. Your rep will follow and precede you.

I remember that my SRO would not identify himself as the SRO... and none of us would dime him out either. If he had just identified himself as the SRO it would have saved us a lot of ass-pain. However, he was trying to play the game like the rest of us the whole time (keep the limelight off of himself) instead of stepping up and taking responsibility as SRO. Also, when an opportunity arose for me to covertly pass info to the SRO about our fellow airmen, he didnt accept it at all. Overall, he was a d-bag.

I believe the CBT everyone is referring to is acutally called "SERE 100" I saw a listing for it today on ALDS or ADLS or whatever that site is you log onto to do your CBTs

Yeah, I didn't think the comment you're referring to was even worth a response.

I don't see why hardly ever deploying would be a selling point. New guys flying in the CAF should want to deploy as much as possible and wreak havoc on the bad guys.... after all, it is the military and that is what we do. Flying in combat is how we earn street cred. Well, I digress from the topic at hand....

What is the attraction of the B-2 for some people? Maybe I'm totally out to lunch, but why would a FNG want a B-2 versus a Bone or a Buff?

Seems like someone hit a nerve with Talon bashing. Don't forget that everyone does their own part. Snapple stories and missing the DZ are just horrible 5th hand, or even 20th hand rumors that get blown out of proportion.

You mean like this guy that is about to take over as AFSOC/CC? https://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7672 Or this one? https://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5050 The list goes on.....

Personally, I'm a Reagan fan.

I hear ya there. Our squadron commander tried to institute a formal PT program to go along with the fit-to-fight that Jumper was promoting. People whined and griped and bitched about it all the time. Especially when the DO started hunting people down that weren't showing up without a valid excuse. The whole program lasted about 2 months before the DO realized he had more important things to do than hunt down delinquent PT'ers. Most people didn't even show up because of crew rest issues or flight physicals, or being TDY, etc. Which brings me to the point - I think the reason you won't see USMC rules in an AF flying squadron is because part of our heritage is the chill nature of the flying squadron. Of course we are ruthless when it comes to making sure that people know their TTPs, flying regs, etc, everything is else is run on a relaxed big boy program. After all, how many times have you wasted days hunting someone down in the squadron and no one had any idea where they were? If it wasn't anything important, no one really cared where that person was. They'd show up eventually. That's what cellphones are for anyways. You'll see them in the squadron bar eventually.

In one of Walter Boyne's books I remember reading something that talked about Hap Arnold's vision for the Air Force was a military force that always stayed ahead in technology and innovation. I think that continues to be what is driving the USAF (hence cyber command, etc). Unfortunately, we are now also touted as an Air & Space Force, or Aerospace Fighting Force, but our name is still just Air Force. Next thing you know we'll be known to cadets and everyone else memorizing their warrior knowledge as the Aero-Cyberspace Force, but we'll still be called the USAF. Everything seems so futuristic now. It's almost as though the heritage of the Air Force is, "To infinity and beyond."

Hypothetical: How would an air-to-air kill be scored (ie - who would get credit) if it was a gunship taking out a helicopter below it? And.... what if the person firing the weapon was the enlisted sensor operator in a trainable gun mode of fire rather than the pilot?

No doubt. Well put.

I don't think you a force shaping eligible if you are part of the 2006 year group. You may be okay. Search AFPC site extensively. Then again, if you don't think military flying is for you - go to your commander now and let him know. Aviation is too serious a business to go about half heartedly. Save yourself ass-pain now and get redesignated if possible rather than SIE out of Phase 1 or 2.

Couple of schools of thought on this: 1) Only worry about it in the month coming up on your PFT. 2) Some people hit the gym during the work day. The AFI that outlines the AF PT program states that it's mandatory to get time during duty hours to go PT (or something like that) 3) Other people don't PT at all (see #1).

SHACK! As said before, let the shoe clerks worry about making up retarded bullets. I know a couple of shoe clerks who try to stand out by being involved in everything the CGOC does, and volunteering for every group/wing Memorial Day ceremony, etc. type thing just so they can put a bullet down like "Handpicked among 20 other CGOs by the WG/CC to narrate today's special event in honor of General XX" I'm not saying that volunteering is a bad thing at all... just when the person does it for the express purpose of bolstering his/her OPR. Funniest, but ENTIRELY true scenario/statment!

I'm sure everyone has overhead someone pointing at the pitot tube and confidently telling their dumber buddies that it's a machine gun.

Dumbass: "Do you know where I can get an application to work for the TSA?" Me: "Ummm, try asking the TSA. I'm in the Air Force." Dumbass: "Well I figured you'd know since you guys fly into airports all the time." Oh yeah.... and this one: Kid points at T-6 and says, "Did this plane just get back from Iraq?" [ 22. January 2007, 21:49: Message edited by: Airp ]

What's the -43 being replaced with?

T-1s at P-cola all have Randolph tail markings and are flown by retired guys now working as contractors. They fly them single pilot - nav student sits right seat and instructor nav in the jumpseat

....also a good WSO/NAV/EWO/FCO... CSO - ugh- and kill the enemy... everyone always leaves us out.

Rain, You ever think about being a guest speaker for UPT drop nights? ....or writing a column in the AirForce Enquirer??