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2 hours ago, Pooter said:
No it isn't. It's intellectually honest to follow the science and science points to the Big Bang. Scientists are also perfectly happy admitting to you that they don't know what caused the Big Bang, or what if anything existed before it.
Intellectual honesty is admitting you don't know rather than making shit up when you reach the limits of your understanding.
Except that's exactly what scientists do when they claim a big bang (not many don't believe in a "big bang" type event and an expanding universe, we just disagree on how and who caused it)). Most of my colleagues anyway, argue for one that happened from space matter that miraculously existed before the bang. Go to any college campus and speak with researchers in the sciences (biology, physics, chemistry, etc) and they'll all dodge the question or simply tell you it's an assumption that matter was there somehow before the big bang happened. No explanation on why and how it was there, just that they assume it was there. "Faith" as I said, but we call it "scientific assumptions" and that makes it OK since no God/god required.
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My intent wasn't to start an evolution discussion but just to point out the hypocrisy of stating that creationism is totally faith nonsense when in fact both belief systems have tons of faith. Every "assumption" in science (e.g. the foundations of life/basic matter always existed, we evolved by chance...) is faith. I've had lengthy discussions about the origin of life with some of my professor colleagues in biology and chemistry here at school, and ultimately they have to concede there is indeed lots of faith in their worldview. I don't have enough faith to see what I see around me and conclude, there is no creator (ymmv).
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23 minutes ago, Pooter said:
As for creationism over CRT, I'm not sure what good teaching one brand of nonsense over another would accomplish. Especially because there are some pretty nasty implications that follow if you accept the premise that an omnipotent god created everything.
We teach all kinds of nonsense currently (e.g. evolution, psychology is a science (we just call it a "soft" science), people are equal, etc.). The real nonsense is believing that the world was spontaneously formed by accident (out of stuff that magically happened to be around) and happened to fall together perfectly in the exact location in the universe where it could maintain stability. I saw an article a few years back where some top mathematicians did the analysis of probability of this occurring, and the number was a decimal followed by 40 zeros before the first nonzero digit. So it's definitely more intellectually honest and not nonsense to believe in a creator of some kind (even the made believe flying-spaghetti-monster is more intellectually honest than self initiated big bang ).
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I know it was years ago, but whenever I went TDY I always wore a TN Air Guard patch and never got hassle from anyone (even the guys who knew the active duty base I was tdy from). I'm sure the patch helped deter comments from those who might have tried to "chief" me outside my chain of command. Plus, I DNGAF what anybody said anyway outside my direct chain of command (and most of the time even within).
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43 minutes ago, Prozac said:
Also, you may indeed know “very few” people concerned about COVID death, but this is very much a circumstantial statement. Over 600 thousand Americans have died from this disease. That is a staggering number that should be shocking to all Americans. Some of you will say that those numbers are inflated. Ok. Let’s cut the number in half. Still an abysmal result that, in any other circumstance, should have most Americans crying out for and supporting far more aggressive and potentially risky solutions. Many of us here willingly and happily went to war after lunatics killed a few thousand Americans in New York. But half a million dead and we don’t want a shot? Blows my mind.
Not to be argumentative and I know it's a serious illness to many but, No, 600K did not die from Covid19. If you're going to call out people then be more honest in your claims as well.
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11 hours ago, FLEA said:
I will allow you this. For Trump supporters much of Trump's first year was overturning Obama era policies. It will take about a year for Biden to set the playing field to start building the progress he wants, for better or for worse.
That is of course, after "they" tell him what progress he wants. We're getting a good preview of the idiocy that will be.
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It's not a "fix" per say but really having a friend or two who you can tell anything to and trust the confidentiality is crucial. Even if you have to seek out a person or two that you completely trust and have them as a sounding board and confidante. I have a couple of best friends who I can do that with but I also established (weird at first but now it really works) a contact that I'm not great friends with, but completely trust his judgement and character. He is, for lack of a better term, my "accountability" partner. We don't always hang out and he's a bit eccentric at times, but I trust him and discuss stuff with him that I might not want to talk about with my friends or a wife. Admittedly it was a little awkward when i first approached him with the idea, but it works and I usually chat with him at least a couple of times a year even if nothing is happening (just to stay engaged). The chaplain is a great idea though and for the most part I'd guess won't care if you talk about flying, relationships, depression, work stress, or anything ... and its confidential.
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I just read the free chapter. Looks like it would be a fun read!
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1 hour ago, jazzdude said:
Along the same line of thought, is an amphibian needed, or would a pure seaplane suffice?
Amphibian adds complexity, and landing on water with a gear hanging would basically guarantee the loss of the aircraft and the cargo it carries, and possibly the crew. You can usually recover an aircraft following a gear up landing on land, but a gear down landing on water is typically catastrophic.
If anyone's interested, this is a pretty interesting seaplane story set in WW2:
https://www.panam.org/the-long-way-home
The book is a touch dry in the story telling, but tells the (true) story of a Pan Am flying boat that was in the Pacific when Pearl Harbor was attacked, and the crew's/aircraft's journey back to the US the long way (eastbound starting in the Pacific, attempting to avoid the fighting in both the Pacific and Europe)did you mean westbound? East is the short way home to the U.S. West coast, unless they were down under India somewhere and then it's closer to 50/50 on what direction to fly.
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10 minutes ago, kaputt said:
Has it been defined yet what “extremist” views are?
Can’t believe this is legal.
anything that the eavesdropper disagrees with
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I guess I was mostly surprised that they put it right out there in words, for all to see. Didn't even have the decency to hide the truth while screwing somebody.
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"This decision was based on public comments made by Lt. Col. Lohmeier in a recent podcast," a Space Force spokesperson said in an email. "Lt. Gen. Whiting has initiated a Command Directed Investigation on whether these comments constituted prohibited partisan political activity."
I find this very problematic. So, lets fire the commander while we determine if his words are an issue/problem and violate any rules.
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4 minutes ago, Day Man said:
we're discussing whether it's considered 'living'...your viewpoint isn't as universally accepted despite how much you want it to be.
Now you're talking complete shit. there is universal agreement by medical and scientific communities that human life is present the moment of conception. The only discussion might be the term "person". You might not like that fact anymore than I like the idea that "person"hood can be debated, but its established fact.
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This recently happened here in TN. Here, according to criminal law, an unborn child is a "person", but this wasn't true in civil law. I'm not sure if the Governor signed it yet, but once he does, it will be true in civil law also.
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Now that its out of the other thread I'll add my .02 again. We have a definition of human life according to science and there really is no debate there, but as Prozac pointed out "person" might be a little more nuanced. I think you have to be pro abortion to nitpick that, but that is just my opinion and I'm definitely not a linguistics expert.
Edit to add: I do acknowledge that current US law for citizenship doesn't recognize a person for citizenship until they are born. So, with that standard, the "person" protection afforded by the constitution could be argued not to apply until the baby is born (even though as y'all know, I don't like that).
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30 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:
.You literally wrote "religion" In your second sentence.
They all agree huh?
I'm anti-abortion, but to act as though it's a settled topic is pretty obtuse.
Using your words, define "person."
Can an infant be an individual if it is wholly reliant on another person for existence?
I'm not arguing against abortion because of my religious view. That was a statement highlighting that because science now confirms that a fetus is a human (fully understood and yes settled - once the egg is fertilized), they agree.
The supreme court acknowledged, when they somehow pulled the roe v wade ruling out of their rear, that if science showed that a fetus was a human life (person), then a different ruling would have been made. "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, in this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer." Roe 410 US
After my accident, was I an individual (person) for the two weeks I was on life support and totally dependent on others? Is the person on hospice care and can't feed themselves and sometime can't even communicate an individual? Reliance doesn't define if someone is an individual.
1 hour ago, Day Man said:Sure. Abortion is an individual decision. @bfargin quoted the constitution and bolded 'life' implying it referred to abortion. I highlighted "nor shall any state" because it doesn't apply to an individuals actions, only the state.
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Science and logic usually don't agree with religion on anything. Let me know if I incorrectly inferred what you were saying (that the constitution, science, logic, and reason are all against abortion).
If you abort you can't really have life, so it applies in that the government can't take a life without due process. So if somehow we could charge and convict those little fetuses with a crime worthy of the death penalty, then I guess it would be legal.
Science has now confirmed the fetus is a human life with distinct dna - different from the mother and father. Religion already claimed it was a human life so I lumped them together. So no, they don't necessarily agree on abortion, but on the fact that a fetus is human life they agree.
This is way off the topic of this thread so I'll stop discussing here. If we move it elsewhere i'm more than willing to discuss, but frankly I don't see any legitimate arguments to support state sanctioned infanticide. Discussions should be had on how to help expectant mothers who face difficult circumstances with a newborn (whether that is through government policy and assistance programs or private sector organizations that provide prenatal and postnatal services).
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1 hour ago, Guardian said:
I’ve read your statement several times. I don’t understand your point alone or as related to the quote you are quoting. Could you please explain what you mean?I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know what he meant. I left any "religious belief" out of everything I wrote, and last time I checked a "person" is an individual.
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6 hours ago, HeloDude said:
...... And sure there are examples on the right—the abortion issue for one. ......
That's about the worst example you could use for an extreme view. The Constitution, science, logic, and religion all agree on abortion. It's not a right or left issue, its a human life and death issue. The Declaration of Independence and our Constitution both speak to our individual right to life. ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.")
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Never said it wasn't capitalism, just said it wasn't unencumbered, free range as I quoted. Of course we live in a capitalistic society, it's just one where all of the government checks and balances have been corrupted and big money/corporate influence has overtaken any sense of a free market. When huge businesses get tax breaks and tax and other governmental privileges it's not free range capitalism at all, it's a marketplace bought and paid for with the government protecting the big players.
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For all you test pilots. True home build hanging it out there more than I'd be willing to.
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26 minutes ago, Prozac said:
Wait, wait. I thought one of the hallmarks of a Democratic and open society was freedom of speech, which the Supreme Court recently ruled most definitely applies to corporations. Do you think big tech/MSM/etc are doing any of this with regards to anything other than their bottom lines? Fascism? Hardly. This is un encumbered, free range capitalism doing what it does. I happen to agree that it’s not necessarily the best situation for our country. Repealing Citizens United would be a great first step towards improving things.
Seriously? We don't have anything near "unencumbered, free range capitalism" in the US. Kickbacks, payoffs, power influencing, etc but not even close to capitalism.
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11 hours ago, lloyd christmas said:
Policing has been discussed in this thread before so I’ll drop this here.
Sounds like the female officer involved in yesterday’s shooting of Daunte Wright thought she was firing her taser but fired her weapon instead. It is another incident involving someone with a warrant resisting arrest. But it’s still a very tragic incident for sure. This happened just a few miles from where George Floyd was killed. This couldn’t have happened in a worse place. It’s going to be an interesting night in Minnesota.
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The video is out. How many times do DAs need to see the very likely "death penalty" result from fighting to get away from a police officer to just comply?
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10 hours ago, brickhistory said:
Well, some folks love bagpipes. Some folks really don't.
I think, perhaps, you are associating me with the wrong song entry.
Sorry, you're right. It was SocialIDs music that sucks.
The Next President is...
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If Trump had only listened to the IP and learned to STFU he would still be POTUS. He is his own worst enemy, not for standing up to the political elite and calling them out, but for the indiscriminate shit flinging at any and everyone (even when clueless about his target). He is a classical liberal, but I'd take a liberal any day over the lunacy of the new left.
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