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Yeah, I just ran some quick numbers vs airline pay and it doesn’t look good for big blue here. I figure a major at 12 yrs + bonus and avg BAH is pulling ~$159k Incidentally a 3rd year 737 F.O. at Delta is ~$159k before 401k / profit sharing.

So not much new, in fact seems like a retrograde of good deals from the 1 year offered last year. I have no skin in the game on this. Curious the thoughts of younger guys. My prediction is this doesn’t do much to stop the bleeding.

Someone getting $1k per month flight pay plus the $35k bonus is already getting $4,000ish per month. Let’s say 50% of the ~12k Pilots are eligible for the $2k bump = 6,000 Pilots x $2,000 x 12 mos = $144 million extra to budget for. Doable when you think it can save training costs, that pays for itself if you retain 20-30 11F’s for a few years. Rough pilot math but I’m not sure it’s so far fetched. That would put a 15yr O-4 at about $190k gross assuming a $1,750-2k BAH for garden spots like UPT bases. I think it has potential. The real key is getting that experience to stay from 12-20 where the extra bump + pension will outweigh the airlines pay wise.....assuming we unf-ck lifestyle.

I have a “certified” 4 place family hauler aircraft and after 10+ years of paying “certified” prices for upgrades and old sh-tty “certified” radios etc, I will only buy experimental here on out. A flight in an RV-8 sold me. Was terrific but I have plans for the RV-7. Also think I’ll get a Kitfox for my off airport needs. Have not flown one but they seem pretty sweet.

Damn, who did you piss off for that triple-decker-sh-t sandwich? I was complaining to my wife tonight about two days back to back top-3 tours. You illustrate a HUGE problem as to 2018 USAF pilot realities. Who wouldn’t leave for the airlines.

Here’s a real question: in a case like this where non-fatal, non-injury, no direct ties on this board, everything based on open source speculation and internet photos, I’ll bite....what’s the harm of discussing probable scenarios and causes?

I had to turn it off at the hand puppet. I seriously can’t believe these people are in the same USAF as me....actually I can and that’s even worse.

Well I’m trying to get something out better than “f-22 pilot made a UPT student on the road to washout” mistake. Climbing away before gear up is something I learned in a prop retractable and every plane since. And if a combat loaded hog can lose an engine on takeoff and keep flying, a F-22 is really out of excuses on how this happened.

None of which should cause a mishap on their own but I guess that’s why we have an SIB...or AIB here.

This was about sending a message. 8 years of weakness emboldened Putin, Iran etc. We needed to send a message that we can pounce on people breaking international law even when drug is defended by top of the line Russian air defenses. I want out of Syria but this was a good call to flex out balls. It also shows our allies that we are the leaders.

I’m sure it does. Maybe this guy retracted and the door drag made it settle. That happened with a viper t-g a few years back. Not sure the -22 sequencing. Sad thing is, you can bet your ass this f-up will trickle down in the form of some reg for the rest of us.

Anyone know how much a 737 type rating costs and where? I have a European buddy comparing costs with the exchange rate.

You should see what it’s going to do to the allies who bought it in terms of budget busting.

Not sure how to take this so don’t be offended. I was flying in ”war” last week and I would have traded the “war” I was doing for a nice UPT out and back where I could get a burger. The really sad part was that my “war” mission was better than most of the other dudes/dudettes in the AO and I still felt that way. I see the point, young pilots should want to see the mission but for me, “war” these days is boring as f-ck 96% of the time if not more. If given the choice tomorrow to go to “war” or train dumb Lt’s to fly decent, I’m choosing the latter.

Holy hell, maybe it’s the 4.5 hours I just spent in an ejection seat and only spent 15 seconds upside down but F-ck me!!!! Us old salty sport b-tching bastards have complained so much we have UPT bound cadets worried. Alright Bird12, listen up, because you are wrong. If anything the ship is righting itself from what I see, but Us old dudes were on board when it was sinking so different view People on here have generally been/there, done that, diverse backgrounds/experiences. I get tired of my buddies b-tching about the same things I’m bitching about in the sq bar over the same brand of scotch so I read this forum. I want to hear how lousy the poor bastard flying the other jet has it so I can feel better -or- how good he has it so I can complain that community x gets all the good deals and wtf was I thinking taking the bonus because xx is at delta making $xx and here the f-ck I am getting $3.50 per day not allowed to drink beer on St Paddy’s day. Sport bitching is in fact a sport among pilots. (Hence the name) Very few of us really hate our jobs or the USAF. Perspective. I had a brand new straight out of MQT Lt on my wing in the AO, we flew a 4.5 hr mission full of in my opinion, sh-tty taskings, sh-tty scenery, sh-tty tankers, ATC, well you name it, to me it was all sh-t minus the 2 x barrel rolls in the descent. When we got out of the jet I wanted to apologize for his first sortie in the AO being so sh-tty. He was smiling ear to ear. My sh-tty 200th AAR was his first on that type of tanker. My sh-tty 200th time over the desert was his first. He loved it See my point. So you f-cking should be excited bird12, you got a chance at the coolest job in the world. Keep some perspective and know who you are listening to on this forum. If I were in your shoes I’d pay good money for the flight I did today however at my age/experience I’d just assume send someone else so I could sit in ops, drink coffee and complain about how f-cking stupid the USAF leadership is, how I’m not getting paid enough, how cool the Cold War days were, how great the airlines are according to my friends etc. Out

Airline dudes/dudettes: What type of standby or pass benefits do your airlines offer you for family and what’s your good/bad experience with using them?

Take a dude that was marginal in UPT, throw him in a jet as a co-pilot/autopilot monitor for 3 years then ask him to go back and instruct tac form, aerobatics etc that he probably was never real good at in the first place.

I find this curious. If this was the USAF that pilot would be behind bars on accusation alone but out in the real world, I wonder how this plays out. Alaska Airlines female co-pilot claims male pilot drugged and raped herhttps://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/03/14/alaska-airlines-female-co-pilot-claims-male-pilot-drugged-and-raped-her.html

It would take me past my ADSC I incurred for the bonus.

If I’m within 2.5 years of my ADSC and I get PCS’d to a jet that buys me a 3 yr concurrent ADSC do I have to accept? What are my options?

Dudes, 16.9 years ago people went t-37 to t-38 to viper having NEVER done a flame out pattern. This might be an ok idea in my opinion.

Wait, explain this to me...either they are qualified to be copilots or not, correct? Why would the mission get rejected?

Simply poor leadership. While the Captains back in the day we’re talking about this the leadership was busy with Blues Monday, green boots, SAPR, morale sweeps of squadron bars etc.

Spoke with an old f-100 pilot who said back in his day they sometimes needed waivers to fly 90 hours a month. Back when pilot main duties were flying.

Seriously, a movie that summed up the mentality nicely. Some people just want to be miserable.