Karl Hungus

They get to pay them less to do the same job as an 0-3/ 0-4?

I think it speaks volumes about people's job satisfaction with AD that they'd actually consider trying to get purposefully passed over. It doesn't really matter anyway- I'd be shocked if the 5% who are cut come from an 11X AFSC.

Several people I know were wondering what would happen if they turned down the promotion or went out of their way to not get promoted, and were then forced out prior to their 10 years. Can they still get a job with the guard or reserves....? I can see it now... people scrambling to do ASBC by correspondence to "earn" an ASBC in residence slot. I'm sure Robin Olds would be thrilled.

And this, ladies and gents, perfectly sums up why I can't wait to get out of active duty Air Force. To say that this isn't the Air Force I thought I was getting into would be an understatement. My grandfather, C-47 pilot who lost a lot of friends flying the Hump, would be ashamed of what we have become.

Exactly. So don't punish everyone because a few people are dipshits. But then again, that would require real LEADERSHIP and not the management these morons have learned since day 1 at the academy.

A functional fitness test in my job would involve how many times per minute you can smash the printer because the POS doesn't work. Or how quick you can get out of the seat and check on the chicken nuggets in the oven. And how long you can hold your breath in the lav because it hasn't been serviced in days, boiling a fine stew in the desert heat. Of the many things I don't understand about people in the Air Force, the comparison of everything to the Marines is close to the top. If you wanted to PT like the Marines, join the Marines.

Speaks volumes about how terribly managed (not lead.... there's very little leadership that actually occurs) this organization is. We'll see blues everyday and color-coded-by-rank reflective belts before we see TIB destroyed, sad as that is.

Failing out of IFF/ B-Course/ whatever isn't something to be ashamed of. It may end up being the best thing to ever happen to him. Suggestion on how to meet people at wherever you end up: Get a job. Go get a degree/ masters. Have a life outside of the Air Force.

That's a great way to go about it, but it doesn't address the biggest issue of all... THESE UNIFORM THINGS DON'T ######ING MATTER! A sleeve rolled up, a morale patch, PT gear untucked, black socks, short socks, sunglasses on your head, mustache beyond the 90 degree line extending from the ends of your upper lip, blah blah blah... NONE OF THEM MATTER TO WINNING A GODDAMN WAR! I hate the dumbass argument "well if I can't trust you to tuck in your PT gear, how can I trust you to (insert complex mission-essential activity here that you've been highly trained to do). Apples and oranges... it's a cheap, easy "leadership" tactic aimed at the lowest common denominator, like everything else in the AF. It's far easier and measurable to come up with inane uniform policies and enforce them upon all than it is to actually lead and accomplish the mission.

Shit like this is why I'm bolting active duty the first chance I get. Life is too short to be treated like a kindergartner by morons. Fox Sports sponsoring the bar... KFC... all of this is NOT A GOOD THING. We need less creature comforts for the shoes, not more. The more shit like this we put at the Deid and other places, the more likely Tops in Blue will show up, chiefs will go on power trips, etc.

Rake is still in use by the T-1 squadron at Laughlin.

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https://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2010-06/diy-synthetic-aperture-radar-system-250 Interesting.

KC-10: new copilots can expect three 75ish day deployments their first year. Doesn't really slow down after that. Doesn't matter which base you're at. C-21 (to Ramstein) is by far the best assignment you can get out of T-1s, if you don't mind reality crashing down on you when you go to your MWS after living the life in Europe.

Manas is no more, at least for now.

2. I'd happily trade the wireless internet, the pool, three beer night, off-base trips, etc for an ops-centric deployment without excess manning and a focus on the shit that actually matters. Instead we have deployed CGOCs organizing day-long trips to go bowling, movie night in the pool, and first shirts complaining that aircrew "hide behind crew rest" in order to skip important things like Army Battalion runs.

A couple month's worth of BAH doesn't make going to the academy worth it.

Seek validation much? As for the wings... it's sorta like calling yourself a doctor when you went to a podiatry or osteopathy school. Yeah, sure, you're a "doctor", but you're not an M.D. I appreciate the role that most AFSCs bring to the fight. Doesn't mean everyone needs wings.

Found it right after I posted, thanks.

Was wondering the same thing. The use of "angels" as well... Somewhat related, I don't understand why some people like to be extremely quiet/ mumble on the radios. I hear this from a lot of the C-17 folks. Mumbling in a very quiet voice so you sound half asleep doesn't make you sound cool, it makes you sound like a moron... and in some cases (position reports and whatnot in the AOR) it can even be dangerous. I'm not saying you have to yell, but talk like you've got a pair.

I'm saying I wish the reserves would help us out more, especially in regards to the desert. I'm saying I can see why they can't/ won't/ don't, and it's due to numerous reasons, some of which have been addressed on this board. Perhaps I should have replaced "leadership" with "the system". As Huggy pointed out, "the system" is broken. I'm done with this topic.

To be fair, most that I've met aren't assholes at all... most really do give a shit and want to contribute. It's unfortunate that the majority don't walk the walk though, for whatever reason. But after being gone for 200-250 days a year while on AD, with the majority of that time spent in the desert, the ones I've met are completely over the AD game. I don't hold anything against the AFRC crews, it's the leadership of AD/AFRC that has let it get to this point that's frustrating.

What are you hmmm...-ing? The fact that KC-10 reservists don't deploy much or the fact that I'd do the same thing if I were them? Also, the ARC doesn't own any KC-10s by themselves... all are active-associates so I guess you could consider them co-owned. There's no iron to take away from them.

Like Huggy said, the system is broke. Like I said, I don't blame people for taking advantage. The powers that be certainly don't make it easy. It's pure jealousy when I bitch about the reserves not contributing. Who'd want to when you just get hassled about what color socks you have on and how you didn't immediately shave after a 12 hour flight. The complete lack of focus on shit that actually matters never ceases to amaze me.

If you washed out of UPT, what makes you think you'd make it through any other version of pilot training?