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Tits save the world...they provide food for our hungry children, they give us something to motorboat, they keep single mothers employed and help pay for college, they made this thread interesting! There isn't anything a nice pair of tittes can't do.....

Well played! If anyone has more...I'm just sayin....

You can post as many Tebow chicks as you want, he isn't tapping any of them. He is "saving himself for marriage"....not that there is anything wrong with that...oh hell who am i trying to fool. How can he not be hitting that!?! Jesus would understand! (I'm going to hell anyway)

Does the owner's manual say you can't do those??

Holy Shit! There has to be a point way before it gets that big where you think to yourself, "I should probably get this looked at/removed"

He is referring to a very small percentage of CGO (at least from what I have seen) who are truly tactical experts (good and credible) AND are also very exceptionally smart academically. I can count on one hand the numbers of CGOs that I know who fall into this category, and I'm missing two fingers (not really). The problem is that no one really cares about the level of tactical expertise someone has, they distinguish these guys based SOLELY on AAD and PME completion...that is it! I've seen it first hand where the "piles" for P and DP were built based ONLY on AAD/PME completion before they even knew who the people were let alone their level of expertise. Again, I do believe we have a lot of smart and talented officers in the Air Force, this isn't directed at them, but some of the tools we keep promoting don't have that balance he's talking about. Some of the ones I see who are your "fast burners" at the CGO level are far from tactical experts. Rather, they tactfully pull themselves off deployments, off the schedule, etc to get those Masters classes done or the job that will make them "look" good. Somehow these people shine (at least on paper) in front of those who make the decisions to promote, send to school, etc. Put put them in a room with their peers to lead a simple task and they fail miserably not just because they have no LEADERSHIP or social skills, but because none of their peers respect them enough to listen to anything they have to say. People like that have to get promoted and rely on their rank to "lead". Use a peer rating system and see how well they shine. How many commanders have you had in your career that motivated you simply by their natural leadership style and not just because they were a Lt Col or an O-6 and above? We all know the difference. From what I can see, we are promoting more and more of those tools I've described above and less of the ones who are truly tactical experts who don't really need to go to "school" to learn how to lead. I think education is important, especially when the degree directly contributes to the organization, but I will never understand how just having a degree makes anyone a leader. I don't think anyone can ever convince me...mainly because I've seen outstanding leadership on the enlisted side of the house by senior members without Master's degrees. To be an effective leader, you need to have credibility in your organization and part of that means being the expert. I'm certainly not good enough to just look at someone and determine if they have a Masters degree or not, but I can sure as hell determine who the experts are and who I trust. We can beat this dead horse into glue, but unfortunately I think this is the new culture and it is not likely to change anytime soon. Young bubbas, just get your Master's done, stay in the books and be a real expert in your MWS, and expect to work a lot harder and do a lot "more with less" for the foreseeable future.

I see the discussion has gone down this road again so I'll go ahead and do my quarterly rant in support. By the way, I have all my "Air Force game" boxes checked and still think it is BS. I don't feel smarter or more of a leader because I have a Masters. I actually feel like I wasted a lot of time getting a Masters that will be outdated when I eventually get out of the Air Force. Now for the rant: That is part of the problem....doing "what it takes to get ahead" gets in the way of doing "what it takes to fix things"...that is why you don't see it happening. You make Major and think, "oh wow, I could make O-5"...then you make O-5 and think "oh, wow, I could make O-6" and so on and so on. You spend so much time checking the boxes and do the things that helped you get ahead that you forget (or don't care anymore) about changing the things you thought were wrong. And why should you? You're managing to "get ahead" by playing the "Air Force game" (not directed at anyone) It is when people are taking leave and taking themselves off the flying schedule to finish that paper...it happens more often than you think. I have plenty of friends who have all the "Air Force Game" boxes checked and still don't know why they didn't get promoted. Do they really have themselves to blame? Maybe...they didn't distinguish themselves by planning enough Christmahannuqwanzika parties. But they do a hell of a job at their primary duties...but we all know that is only a fraction of what matters today. Be careful with getting your degree too early (online or not), because other than checking a box, a 15-year old degree (particularly a technical one) is pretty much worthless when you decide to use it for anything outside the Air Force (assuming you got it at year 5 and you do 20 years and retire). That is part of my problem with the Air Force "game" making you get a Masters as a young Capt. It benefits NO ONE in the long run. Eventually you're going to have to be good at your job because there is going to be a time in the near future where it will count. I know we have mostly high-quality well-rounded officers in our force, so I'm generalizing here, but the Air Force is force shaping the "slugs" who don't have their Masters (but are good at their jobs). We'll be left with a bunch of check-your-box Masters robots who are good enough at their jobs but focus more on doing what it takes to get promoted and less about the actual mission of the Air Force. Those people are a very small percentage of our officer force, but when you are trying to downsize the force and make those of us who are left do even more with less, those small percentages matter. With the criteria the Air Force is using to determine who stays and who goes, a lot more people are now in "self preservation" mode. Secretary Gates warned us of this type of careerism...and now the Air Force is forcing it on us. It is no longer what is good for the "company," but rather, how can I make sure I don't get RIFd. We'll be so small soon that everyone left will have a Masters, so you'll actually have to be good at your job to distinguish yourself (or plan more parties). Imagine that...

How appropriate...there were 69 of them....

For the record, I am against over inflating OPR/EPRs with fodder, but if someone exceeds the standards for whatever area they are being evaluated during a particular reporting period, why can't the evaluator state "clearly exceeds standards?" Like Toro said, the story is a little vague so I don't know when the PT test failures happened, but an EPR/OPR is supposed to evaluate a member's performance for a specific reporting period. Previous PT test failures outside of the reporting period in question are irrelevant and the individual was probably already penalized for those failures with either a downgrade if the member failed but had a passing PT test score at close out or a "does not meet standards" if they had a failing PT score at closeout. Either way, PT test failures cannot be documented on performance reports unless the failure is current at the time of close out. All that being said, putting "clearly exceeds standards" on a performance report for just getting a 90 or above on a PT test is a little inflated. If the individual failed a PT test and then scored 100% during the same reporting period, it would be wrong to put "clearly exceeds standards" on the EPR and the shirt was spot on. My point is that penalizing someone (twice) for previous test failures outside the reporting period is wrong (if that was the case here).

YES! It's back on... Let the urination olympics commence!

I would imagine those who just separated at 15 years would be eligible for retirement since the NDAA is fiscal. If those guys were still active duty as of 1 Oct 2011, they should be eligible (key word should). The way I understand it, they just won't get retirement pay until the separation pay is paid back. I think that is a provision of accepting separation pay. Can someone verify that?. If they are allowed to retire, they essentially just got an interest free loan (advance) on their next few years of retirement pay. May not be a bad deal afterall. That being said...I don't think they will have a hard time trimming the overages of the 15-20 year servicemembers over the next few years. Any word on the ACP bonus?

Unfortunately we don't have the manning to support a "no additional duties" policy. I'm glad to see someone at AMC is addressing it, but I don't think it will last. We just don't have the manpower to allow that while the mobility, SEFE, safety, OCC, execs, training, scheduling, tactics, security manager, etc shops need FP manning. Big Blue says we're overmanned (heavy side) in pilots but we have a hard time filling additional duties...hate to see what it will be like at 90% manning....

I think everyone on this board knows what the problem is with the "basics." We don't focus on the basics anymore. We have Lts and young Capts doing everything but focusing on flying (a generalization, not all inclusive). When I see young LTs taking leave to finish a Master's paper, I think the leadership and the culture have done them a disservice. We're still good at what we do, we just aren't as good as we could be. I am predicting that it will get worse before it gets better...especially in light of the current state of the force. With force reductions coming, everyone is in "self preservation" mode, which means they are focusing on the things that count in today's Air Force that will keep them employed an upwardly mobile. Unfortunately today, flying isn't one of those things. Perhaps a message from the boss re-caging the focus on the basics is what we need. Sorry, slight hijack.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying everything has to be spelled out. Not knowing the whole story, I would still say that this maneuver had nothing to with the mission at all...and to justify it by saying the Air Force didn't tell me I couldn't do that is what I'm saying is wrong. I understand about hacking the mission by getting around the black and white of AFIs and TOs, I've been there and done that. We wouldn't get anything done if we went strictly by the letter of the law. This case does not fall into that category IMO. Clearly, I should not have to tell MC-12 pilots that barrel rolls are not authorized. Good point. That's probably what is happening...dudes are getting bored over there. Edited: to fix drunken post. Maybe time for bed...

The nerd alert wasn't knowing the difference...it was for taking the time to search for photos to point out an infraction that no one really gives a f*ck about. Yes, nerd alert. But I like your style...point well made. I imagine you felt the same satisfaction as a chief in the desert pointing out that my socks aren't in regs... I think I'll survive as a rated officer in the USAF either way... I am particularly worried that there are people out there who don't think this was wrong because it "doesn't say anywhere that I can't do it." It bothers me more that it was done in the AOR when assets on the ground may be counting on that MWS for critical mission support. The 'attitude' out there that if the Air Force doesn't specifically tell me I can't do it, I should be able to do it should worry you too. Again, I don't know the whole story, but I can't think of a reason to have flown an aircraft that way. If you think it was ok, then you are focused on something other than the mission in my opinion.

Well see, my point is made...this aircraft is obviously not designed for ACRObatics....yeah, thats it. Ok, you got us...Did you push up your glasses with your finger and snort when you typed this?

Ah, you speak Yoda...nice It is all about "feeling" safer these days... There will always be those jackpipes who feel like they have to kill someone because their own life isn't going well...they are like little kids with a temper tantrum, and they only way to get their way is to shoot someone else. Like Gyreaux said above, just shoot yourself and leave the middlemen out of it. Your life sucks because you let it suck.

2, I'm not going to trash these guys at all because I don't know the whole story, but I just can't imagine cruising at FL280 in an aircraft not designed or certified for acro, and all of the sudden thinking..."Dude, we should do a barrel roll" and then have the guy in the other seat say "Yeah, thats a great idea!" I'd like to know "the rest of the story..."

I hate to keep bringing up my Navy past, but some people are rewarded for their "dangerous" behavior. I had a buddy, Lt Pete "Maverick" Mitchell who was a great stick, but notorious for being dangerous....lost his qualifications as section leader three times, he was put in hack by the XO twice with a history of high-speed passes, 7 unauthorized tower flybys, and I think he even banged the WG/CC Adm Benjamin's daughter...I think her name was Peggy or something like that. This guy was "dangerous." Anyway, he ended up going to Navy FWIC and put one in the water (even though the flying footage had him flying in the mountains with no water in sight...but thats another story) and killed his RIO. While it was ruled an accident, his history of dangerous flying put him in the hotseat during the abnormally short AIB. Anyway, it took him a while to bounce back but he ended up graduating and they made him a FWIC IP after all that...and he was banging one of the instructors as a student. Talk about dangerous AND a rule violator! He is pretty cocky and doesn't think rules apply to him...and in our business that....is dangerous..(click)....dangerous! Another guy in his class was just as cocky and that too can be dangerous. Like it was said before, it is one thing in a fighter, but this guy retired and took that dangerous cockiness with him to the airlines! Not the kind of guy I want to be flying with in the military, let alone with 200+ passengers and 5 hot flight attendants I'm trying to bang on board. Dangerous There are some lessons to be learned here!

It's ok in print...just as long as you don't use your fingers to show quotation marks when you speak...

OH SNAP! Someone has some essplainin to do! Edited for drunken buffoonery

Perhaps such sternly worded e-mails will work at the Deid too.... -----------Message----------- From: Hertz, Richard BGen USAF, XXWG/CC To: XXWG/ALL Subject: Final Warning I'm typing this as sternly as I can. There will be no more warnings on this issue: Wear your reflective belts and tuck in your PT shirts! I will have my group commanders patrolling the base 24/7 for those violating my sternly stated rule. If you are caught violating my rules, you will have to report to me in full PT gear with your commander and his commander, and his commander which is probably me, but I'll be there anyway! Your punishment will be cleaning the plumbing in the men's shower with your bare hands! //// SIGNED //// Commander P.S. And stop masturbating in the showers!

Ah, the desert jellyfish. "After further inspection"....So...someone "inspected" it? They probably have your DNA now...

Maybe they were doing a threat reaction....

Or a connection to the network....I blame COMM.....