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That article you're referencing was on AF Times, and I haven't seen that info on reducing from 25,000 anywhere else. I'm wondering if they got what SecAF said correct, their interpretations on Gen Welsh's masters degree comments from last weeks AFA conference are totally out of phase with what he said. https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140227/CAREERS03/302270013/Welsh-Master-s-degree-required-soon-colonels

We were also told that folks would be let go voluntarily, and that didn't happen. We were told twice passed folks would basically not be denied TERA, and that didn't happen. I'm not holding my breath on this one given the overall dismal outlook for the FY15 proposal and the fact it has little chance of passing congress as is. I'll believe this one when I see it.

Excerpt from new article on af.mil w/SecAF's perspective on force management: "She feels the Air Force’s No. 1 priority, above aircraft, weapons or equipment, is its people. 'Having the right people in the right job at the right time, who are trained and developed should be our number one priority.' The Secretary added that, 'taking care of people means to me recruiting, retaining and reshaping our force, so that we have the right people in the right jobs for the immediate future, as well as thinking ahead to the longer term. We are going to be smaller. We will be going through a force-shaping set of procedures, which will include mostly voluntary measures. We may do some involuntary as well, but this will be a big deal over the next year or two.' " https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/473409/secaf-outlines-top-priorities-during-state-of-af-address.aspx

Perhaps we should change the name of this thread to "New PME in-competence."

What if you don't get to go? A 6-9 week SOS course is one thing, year long IDE/SDE is another.

The speed of the email's transmission seems tied to what MAJCOM you are in. There are two on my base, my unit received the email around 1400 EST. A friend of mine is a section commander working in the other MAJCOM, by COB today they did not have the email from AFPC.

I'm an '03 guy, and thats exactly what happened in '11. The boards were less than 8 weeks apart if I remember correctly. We were notified 4 weeks after the RIF about our retention status, 6 months for the official promotion results.

FWIW, I found the slideshow at the link below on how Netflix manages its culture. Its long, but worth a read. Slides 26, 27, 35, 40-58, 67-68, 117, 121-123 are definitely worth a look. I doubt the AF could explain and defend what we do half as well. https://www.slideshare.net/reed2001/culture-1798664

You can actually write a letter to the board asking to not be retained. Somewhere earlier in this topic is a link to the AFPCI that covers RIFs, and it specifically allows the RIF board members to consider a "do not retain me" letter if you are that determined.

"The Long Gray Line" by Rick Atkinson

Yes, ADSC's do in some way equate to dollars. However, there are many year groups where there is no way that any of the UPT ADSCs have been completed, and yet significant numbers of pilots have been ID'd for elimination. Why then are UPT ADSCs not being waived? Because Big Blue never intended to let people go voluntarily (i.e. see 2011 RIF), it was just empty words.

I hope the Chief is getting involved, but quite frankly, at this point even if he corrects things his credibility is out the window. Last December he and his "director of force management policy" made it clear that money, not ADSC commitments, would be the driving factor for how many folks would be let go voluntarily. From the Air Force Times article linked below: ' “We’d love to get all this done by voluntary force shaping measures over a period of time. If we have the leeway based on budget decisions to do that, we’ll go that route,” Welsh said Dec. 13. ' ' “This has pretty much every tool in our toolkit at our disposal, both voluntary and involuntary,” said Brig. Gen. Gina Grosso, director of force management policy, in an interview. “Our strategy is to use the max use of voluntary programs that we can. Everywhere where we’ve been able to incentivize people to leave monetarily, we’re going to.” ' https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20131216/CAREERS/312160016/Leaders-push-voluntary-exits-trim-force The fact now is he's only involved because the officer corps has called BS on his public comments.

Thanks

Where's the quote from ThreeHoler?

So if I'm reading all of this right, the AF is now afraid of losing pilots to the airlines in the near term, and subsequently they shut down almost every avenue of voluntary separation, save for PC. This, combined with the uncertainty of who might actually get RIF'd later this year is effectively blackmailing 11M's into the guard/reserves by threatening AD stop loss (and thus jeopardizing a career in industry).

Spot on. I have one of my DT's members in my unit, and the DT gets one candidate per year now to send to PME or give in-res credit. That means you have to be the #1 candidate out of three year groups to get picked up.

I wish. By the time personnel let me know they'd already notified AFPC of their mistake.

For anyone who is getting denied, I'd follow up with AFPC if possible. AFPC's lists for who is eligible for what are totally jacked right now. Last Tuesday my force support section informed me AFPC ID'd me for the ESERB with only 11 years on AD.