Yep, and the eng called go around(I think twice) in Kuwait, still didn't help. You have to make sure the guy driving heard what you said and it registered in his brain. A pilot fighting with the plane to get it to do something and not saying anything was concern for me. In those situations I always tried to get them to say something, let us know what your thinking, let us help you, this is a crew airplane. Eighteen of my twenty-one years of flying was as an FE so I am pro FE. I think I earned my pay when I was doing it. I wish all of us did. My best compliment from a pilot was that if all FEs were like you they would never have designed the J model, then he bought me a beer.