BashiChuni

More platitudes. serious question for you war hawks… what does victory look like in Ukraine? Can you achieve it? Will you commit the US to do it? because right now we have no strategic end state and are walking down another Vietnam/afghanistan.

the only 14 year old behavior here are you two bozos wanting to escalate into a war where we do not belong, cannot win, and one which has potentially devastating nuclear consequences.

yeah but your cuck friend wasn't escalating a conflict against a nuclear armed nation.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/30/biden-ukraine-weapons-strike-russia-00160731 It’s a stunning shift the administration initially said would escalate the war by more directly involving the U.S. in the fight. But worsening conditions for Ukraine on the battlefield –– namely Russia’s advances and improved position in Kharkiv –– led the president to change his mind.

not a bad idea for compromise. there'd have to be fucking ZERO loopholes on that. maybe people under the poverty level are exempt. but everyone else smashed with 5% flat. the problem is the government's nature is to spend money. the only fix to that is smaller government. first thing i'd do if i were king is slap the DoD with a 20% budget reduction across the board. suddenly ukraine won't seem so important.

does anyone with half a brain really think F-16s are gonna make a dent in this war?

https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/ "Almost all that cash — $690 million — went to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID), the subagency led by Dr. Anthony Fauci, and 260 of its scientists." "Information about this vast private royalty complex is tightly held by NIH" "It’s unclear if any of the Covid vaccine royalties from Pfizer and Moderna, the latter of which settled with NIH by agreeing to pay $400 million, is even included in these new numbers. NIH isn’t saying."

the coverup is always worse than the crime.

stoker here's the problem of your logic...you think throwing more money at DC will solve the problem. wrong. these jokers will happily take more of your tax dollars and light them on fire. maybe these entitlement programs need to die a very painful death. also stop derailing my thread i'm currently torching CH and lawman and you are stealing my spotlight

"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion"

oh ousted? not western backed CIA coup overthrow? interesting

What also happened in 2014?

Where’s the signed, ratified treaty to defend Ukraine? I actually produce sources. It’s a proven fact the US promised to not advance nato via the sec state James baker. Don’t be ignorant.

I’m not justifying it. I’m telling you how we got here. And how we could have avoided it

I have receipts. What do you have? https://https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

THE TOLD DOESNT WORK AT ABQ! - every UPT FAIP.

Act of war and provoking are two separate issues. “Unprovoked”. Sure. look I think Russia overrated. But they definitely were reacting to something, which was articulated by yours truly in a masterful way above. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tucker-carlson-show/id1719657632?i=1000657058513 first 10 min of tuckers podcasts lays it out further. Jeffery sacks explains it well.

not even close. why does the west think ukraine SHOULDNT be outside the russian orbit?! fuck the entire central and south american countries are in the US orbit

any other fucking brain busters @raimius?

ukraine is a simple rook in the geopolitical chess game played by the west post WWII. a chess game where the west has demonstrated strong opening moves but disastrous long term strategic thinking. no one in the west, NATO, or the EU gives one flying fuck about ukraine or its people. they are a means to a end. to answer your question russia invaded after seeing nato (US) and the cia fucking around and finding out in the ukraine. "For years, the Kremlin made it emphatically clear that inviting Ukraine to join NATO would cross a red line that threatened Russia’s vital security interests." "Evidence grew in recent years that the United States had begun to treat Ukraine as a NATO ally in all but name. Steps included pouring nearly $3 billion in “security assistance” (primarily weaponry) into the country since 2014." "Predictably, such conduct ultimately produced a geopolitical explosion. U.S. and NATO officials used Ukraine as a strategic pawn against Russia and are now fuming with outrage at Moscow’s decision to go to war. Russia’s invasion was indeed a horrid overreaction, but it was far from being unprovoked. The Ukrainian people, unfortunately, are the ones paying a high price in blood for the gullibility of their country’s leaders and the shocking arrogance of U.S. leaders." https://www.cato.org/commentary/washington-helped-trigger-ukraine-war# standing by for "the CATO institute is a secret KGB run dis/mis/trans-information campaign! "The split between Washington and both Paris and Berlin about admitting Ukraine to NATO emerged clearly in 2008 when President George W. Bush lobbied ferociously for extending such an invitation. French and German leaders firmly opposed that step at the NATO summit. In her memoir, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recalled that German Chancellor Angela Merkel was especially outspoken, dismissing Ukraine as a “corrupt mess” and warning that a membership offer would dangerously provoke Russia. The allied opposition held, and the best that Bush could come away with was a summit declaration affirming that “someday” Ukraine would become a NATO member. " https://www.cato.org/commentary/making-ukraine-nato-member-all-name standing by for "Angela Merkel is a puppet of putin!"

it is true and has been confirmed by both sides. stop spreading misinformation.

you are picking which promises you want to be honored. we promised the Russians no more NATO expansion east. You never addressed that.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ar-BB1n6Myr weak.