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I’m not addressing it because I was just specifically telling you that this is the only country in world that has freedom of speech. That was my point. Didn’t say what you were saying gets you arrested somewhere or that it doesn’t. I didn’t have commentary on that. You are branching out into topics or things that don’t deal with the central point of what we are talking about in an effort to defend your point which I’m not sure what is. We are specifically talking about the US being the only place where freedom of speech exists. Focus. I didn’t say that the freedom of the press wasn’t important in general. But That it isn’t important to what we are talking about. And if it is, then you failed to explain how. Again. Focus on the central point or your central point and discuss it. You going to other places hurts your points very much and doesn’t give you the appearance of being a rational, logical, or thoughtful. It does the opposite. Not calling you names or belittling you. Actually trying to have civil discourse. You have to understand how difficult it is to follow you when you start hopping around and bringing up things that don’t apply. And actually never address the central topic or idea. For instance. You said something to the effect of are you sure the us is the only place or implied that you doubted my statement. I responded yes. You haven’t addressed why you think there are other places in the world that do have freedom of speech. You branched out into a poll or report that is subjective and biased that doesn’t have the US at the top of a freedom of the press ranking. To say this is apples and oranges is putting it lightly. You obviously have opinions and enjoy discussing those with others. I would recommend you maybe look into how to focus your thoughts and arguments so that you can have a better and more through discussion. Because we in here obviously by and large disagree with you. But enjoy showing you where you might consider other points. There are classes that might help you or some books I might recommend on how better your organize your thoughts and arguments so you aren’t bouncing around so much and might have a better chance at being persuasive. Let me know if you have questions.

Timing matters. It’s not like these statues are getting torn down at a random time. It is directly related to the riots. And a lot of the statues being brought down are being brought down by people who have no idea what the statue they are tearing down means, who the individual is, or what it means to our history. They are just doing it to do it and cause chaos.

Press freedom rankings are hardly freedom of speech. Nice attempt to deflect by bringing up something that has no value in the discussion we are talking about then playing a sarcasm and victim card. Sorry. That doesn’t work in logical thoughts and civil discourse where your points have to make rationale sense.

My point is that this is the only place in the world where it is legal to speak your mind and as long as you aren’t yelling fire in a crowded movie theater, any thing you say is legal. And that it is not the case anywhere else. Wasn’t implying he should or shouldn’t feel any particular way. Not sure how you would jump to that conclusion. Just read what I said and take it at face value. If it’s in accurate then I ask you how or why is that the case? I don’t know of anywhere else where you can’t be fined, imprisoned, etc for speaking your mind.

Yes

An entitlement only afforded to you in the US. Free speech isn’t legal anywhere else in the world.

Are you assuming they are being arrested vice detained? Both are legal.

So because on one or a few examples the whole thing needs redone? Is that what you are saying?

No thanks. I don’t care to wait for access to medical care. Both countries have people coming to the US (as does every other country) to get health care because the US sets the medical health care standard. It’s that good. And it’s available. It may not be cheap but I’m okay with that. I work hard so that I’ll have access. I’m not in favor of others using the product of my labor for their own shortcomings and desires instead of maintaining their own health. No where are we told we are going to have a fair life. In fact you being where you are in life increases in equality of outcome not decreases it. And that’s a good thing.

Go Guard. All pilots GS-13

GI Bill? Go back to college?

Regionals or a white jet at pilot training for another tour. Both come with 2-3 years to gain that valuable PIC time or 2-3 year commitment to AF. I would choose the one with higher quality of life. Or guard/reserves.

Love how people ignore the people or cultures they offend by trying to bring light to something else. Does it matter that people were offended by kneeling at the national anthem? Nope. Only that a social justice warrior after his own publicity so he could try and be front page news again and find a starting spot and millions of dollars again. But wait. Nike paid him. All is well. He, just like Labron James, are ignorant. Willfully so.

Kaepernick could have all the skills in the world. But we will never know it. He has a terrible attitude and he makes a statement and makes it all about him. Not the movement. Hence no one wants to be around him. If he protested in a good, society building, people building proper way he would have got a better response. As it is, Kaepernick is a product of the own society he claims to hate. See where he grew up? See his family? It’s the difference between dr king and malcom x. Malcom x did things with force and violence. Dr king will he remembered and celebrated for a long long time. Not X.

This is exactly why the patriarchy doesn’t exist. You say it yourself. “Very few males.” Not all. Not most. Very few. Hence men and women have both suffered and gone through hard times. It’s about your own choices not blaming a societal structure that doesn’t exist.

Uh. Not exactly. He said something to the tune of men’s earnings going down. And I was just curious if a (not the) contributing factor could be more women in the work force.

True. To an extent. But there shouldn’t be individual truths. There is only the truth. I agree. Can’t figure out why we are going so far out on the race limb. It doesn’t make sense.

What causes that? Is feminism a factor?

Like the movie Wall-E?

Flea, I don’t think we will ever agree. Thanks for the discourse. Your ideas are very liberal. And whether you intend it or not, make people more victims and actually keep them down instead of build them up. For this argument let’s say your numbers are right. But I feel like you are blaming society on them. It’s not white people’s fault that any family earns less, has access to less education, less paying jobs or makes less overall. You see that’s the beautiful thing about America. If you don’t like where you live, you can move. If you don’t like the education, you can go elsewhere. Don’t like what you make you can work hard and do something else that makes more, don’t like your paycheck you can work hard and get a different paying job. So if there is one white family that chooses not to move, get better education, etc.....your argument is blown up. And let me tell you. It’s blown up. Income inequality is a good thing. You reward the hard workers, and better earners and specialized people who are good at their vocation. Hence my point way early on. If sick and need of surgery, I want the best doctor available working on me. The one who chose to excel, work hard, is amazing at their craft and subsequently gets rewarded for it. Redistribution of wealth, “fixing” income inequality, making education availability more liberal (continuing or expanding on the racist program of affirmative action) than today will almost ensure that doctor doesn’t exist. You don’t build up any person by forcing them to be built up. He/she has to have a will and desire to succeed. To over come. To be better. To accomplish. You and I likely will never agree. Thanks for the talk. If the mods just want to delete or move this entire discussion for the last week or so, feel free. I’ve had my questions answered.

I don’t see your example or context. I watched the video but it doesn’t support your argument. Unlike the other video recommended for the group by someone else,I don’t recommend anyone watch this video. JLP is talking to a guy who can’t have a rational discussion without getting pissed off. Can’t even answer questions in a calm cool collected voice and then JLP resorts to name calling after he can’t take his unruly disruptive with poor logic socialist guest to calm down and answer questions. It’s not really a good video for anything. 20+ min of listening to a SJW I’ll never get back.

So if someone tells you you have white privilege (assuming you are white) it isn’t about you, it’s about them and what they have been through? Please correct my understanding of your statement. As it stands, I don’t understand your point. Could you explain what you mean by income inequality? Also you do realize that our entire country has been getting richer right? It’s not only the people on top are getting rich and the people on top are getting poorer. In general the average income is going up as the top earners are making more? So I think the pie is growing if that’s what you mean?

Absolutely worth the listen! Thanks and I’ll look up those other two as well. If you have specific videos I would watch them. Wow. Great dude. Awesome awesome awesome answers to a white girls questions who you could tell wasn’t happy with the toned down answers with facts and logic as his guide. Not emotion. He needs his voice heard. Let me aid in capturing his comments for those of you that don’t have time for a 46 min video. And I agree FLEA he is very well spoken with facts, data, and hardly any emotion which leads this to be a very good Q&A.not really a discussion as the lady has some very slanted questions. Not sure who the lady interviewer is. But her questions seem to be charged and try to lead him down the path of racism and hate. Maybe she is doing it on purpose or not, but it’s a very inflammatory way of speaking. At one point she gets upset that he states you can’t eradicate racism and he even goes so far as to say as some point it would be so low that it wouldn’t even be worth the effort. Near quotes: Actual number of racists and facists is very very small If a white family moves into or out of a neighbor hood, it’s racist. (Can’t win either way) It’s not the kind of racism that the civil rights movement was about fighting. Frankly it diminishes the power of the word racism which is a very powerful word. All of that stuff has been on the wain and it’s really hard to find racist stereotypes in 2020. Black people are 14% of America but commit 52% of homicides If you visited anywhere else you would find the US is one of the least racists places on earth. You’re likelihood of getting shot and killed by the cops is on par to the likelihood of getting struck by lightning. Cops are more likely to use non lethal force if you are black vs if you are white. It’s actually not true that the cops are likely to pull the trigger if you are a black suspect. In 2019 41 unarmed people were killled by the cops. 9 of those were black. 19 of them were white. He talks about the data that goes into that statement then says when you control for all of these there is no disparity at all for being shot by the cops (in black people and white people statistics) The BLM movement is based on half truths. Yes they mistreat blacks disproportionately but no they are not more likely to shoot and kill black suspects. He speaks for a while very highly of BLM. Which I am ignorant of and for the most part I lump them in with Antifa and the KKK because of their radicalism and results of their words and actions. So maybe I should learn more about them. The name is super off putting though. And very much an instigator. however he does speak well of some of their motives. He then goes on to say, their biggest fundamental belief is wrong. It’s not the case that it’s open season on black men being shot by the cops. He then goes to talk about Floyd video Vs a video of a white man in 2016 being video’ed and dying in nearly the same way Floyd died. Apparently the cops were joking about it while the man died right before them and the casualness of it. He goes into how this crime on a white guy doesn’t get publicized in most cases. I was hoping he would talk about how of the 4 officers in the floyd case, 2 of them are minorities and one of them is black. All the BLM people are victims of the (media) coverage bias. Because they have never seen these videos (other skin colors being victims of police brutality) so when it happens to a black person the media has uniquely trained us to make us feel like we are being uniquely hunted. I can’t help to feel that the black lives matters movement is full of people who have been duped in a very fundamental way. He speaks in a very through and thought provoking way against riots and why they don’t work in the sort or long term. The first rule of activism is to educate yourself and make sure you are not misled. Worth the watch!

So do you see the double standard? People of color are claiming racism and large systems of racism and people groups that need to be taken down. But when someone is offended by people of color branding those with a particular skin color as privileged? Isn’t the whole point not to associate an entire people group with negative attributes and just focus on individuals based on the merit of their actions and character? So if someone is offended by someone of color telling them they have white privilege, that’s ok? It’s fine if a person of color judges someone with a particular skin tone with a privilege with zero explanation of what that means? So if someone is offended that just means they aren’t sensitive enough to others? Well then if that’s the logic you also have to focus that inward. It can’t be a double standard in this day and age. I hear it said well you must have grown up with both of your parents and they were probably good loving parents, in a good community, in a good school and had all these opportunities. So you are attributing an ideal to an entire group of people and assuming. But what if there is one white family that is broken and doesn’t live in a nice neighborhood and doesn’t have the nice opportunities? That blows up the whole argument of white privilege. My point is people can just take stock and rise above. Victim culture is sick. And so is racism. So show us the actual racism and actual examples of racist systems and let’s solve them together. Using words and phrases attributing to an entire people group is wrong. And when someone says that another group based off a physical attribute is wrong and has a privilege then maybe they have an unconscious bias towards the people they claim they are being oppressed by.

Can you show an example of that with context? Not saying you are wrong. Just asking.