Guardian

It was 1000 times better than the original

Aren’t shenanigans good, unless prefixed by “evil?” Those are evil shenanigans.

They don’t do the flight record green folders anymore. All digital. No more annual records review.

Huh? It’s a hoax? Since when? (Sarcasm)

Under Secretary of def put a memo out Oct 2021 that didn’t allow tdy’s or personal leave of any service member. Just had to stay in the local area between work and home

Bring back the Friday pictures thread! It was the least politically charged thread on here. But it did get taken down for PC considerations….so……

Cancer doesn’t have a heartbeat, 10 toes, 10 fingers, etc

An “8 week zygote” has a heartbeat and unique never before seen DNA. Edit. A woman doesn’t have 20 toes and 20 fingers. Pro life people want nothing to do with controlling a woman’s body.

I didn’t say I don’t have my opinions. I am just asking for you to explain your comment. Some people claim that making a federal and state that is a welfare state is making those who are being supported to support their agenda and the equivalent of societal slaves. Hence not a flip at all. Supporting BLM doesn’t equate to anti slavery. In fact one could say that BLM in inherently racist and bigoted. Your argument up to this point doesn’t seem to hold water. Or if I am missing what you are saying, please explain.

Read emotion into emotionless text much? You still didn’t answer my question which is ultimately to please justify your original comment. Just because democrats depend on the black vote doesn’t equate to anything in your statement about flipping.

What are you talking about? Republican Party started because it was anti slavery. Republicans in the 1950’s and 60’s were more likely to vote for civil rights bills than democrats. What are you talking about? Trying to change history?

CH. I took his use of the word as it is defined not as a name calling exercise. This is a logic type discussion. And if anything he was stating you are normally a person of high intelligence so what gives with your bad argument? I can see how you could take it the other way since you seem to have an emotional trigger that overrides logic on this one. My bad.

CH. skin cells contain DNA that could be used i the creation of life via cloning. Does your argument mean I shouldn’t itch my arm? That’s about how logical your argument is. Take a step back and realize LR hasn’t called you names or got all emotional, etc. he simply called out your statements using logic and reason and how your statements aren’t making sense. And if you don’t feel the need to do so then might I suggest just stepping away for a bit and either letting it go or assessing what it is that is causing you to react emotionally and without reason? Throughly enjoy your interactions in other instances. Just seems like someone stole your login info this time around.

Why do I care? I’d guess I would have to say I value all life. And I value truth and logic. My subjective view point is that the right to kill the unborn doesn’t value any of the 3

I’d rather have the extra liberal voters than them not be here. Even if it meant we would have less percentage of republicans.

Looks like unfertilized eggs. Could be wrong though.

So the person unconscious and on life-support still has brain activity and can live. Just like the fetus. I think you might have missed my point. So you’re saying your life is worthless? And if you would not have lived it would’ve been no big deal? You’re right it is an emotional argument that I’m making but I’m trying to make it personal to you instead of ambiguous towards just anyone. Not sure I understand your gun ban debate. Apples and oranges. You’re right. We disagree. I see the overwhelming majority of cases as black and white. As for those that aren’t, then that should be discussed. And why in the last 20-30 years has the abortion discussion moved from safe, legal, and rare moved to it should be allowed at any convenience. Convenience is a large majority of what abortions are today. You’re right. It is complicated as well. Have you looked into planned parenthood’s origins and it’s dealings in racism and eugenics which aren’t altogether gone today?

When the sperm hits the egg and starts to duplicate.

Let’s not move the goal posts. I said nothing about them dying or being taken off life support. All I said was that they weren’t self conscious or self aware for 9 months. Edit: I’ll take your silence on other topics and nitpicking my speech on the first to mean you have no other comments or issues with anything else I said in that post.

I agree that you agree that I agreed rape was extreme.

Wonder if they did a study from the article you linked to assess the mothers health and well being post decision to abort vs those who kept it. I understand you think it’s morally repugnant. I think murder is morally repugnant.

8 million rapes a year?!? Edit: FBI says there are 135,000 reported to law enforcement rapes every year. Where are the other 6-7.8 million rapes?

It’s not the job of the government to take care of people. Health care is not a right. It’s society’s responsibility. Society is partially to blame for poor sexual and pregnancy decisions in the first place. And government tends to do things and it costs more and gets done in a worse fashion than if citizens take on their responsibilities.

Well that is an awful quote. But it being used in a cherry picking fashion to support the death of an innocent due to rape is ….well I’ll let you define it. You’re right. Those laws apparently don’t. I never said it isn’t an awful situation. But forcing death on the unborn not only has the affects on the child but causes a lot of trauma mentally and emotionally on the mother. Actually it does either way. So you and I are both advocating for opposing views they cause hardship on the raped mother. However one of the cases ends in life and the other in death.

A person on life suppport for say 9 months has no “consciousness nor self-awareness.” Can they be destroyed for that reason? (if you don’t like the word murder). Imagine for a second that your mother was victim of rape, heaven forbid, aren’t you glad she elected life over death and not to avenge what had been done onto her to you? In that situation your life was chosen and everything you have experience up to today including this conversations is all because of a choice you didn’t have the ability to make. I don’t believe punishing a different person for the sins of someone else. Just because you or “others” don’t think or don’t want to feel that life begins at conception doesn’t make it so. A new life form with new unique independent DNA never having existed on the earth in just the way it exists in you has ever existed on earth. Science and scientists (regardless of religious beliefs) hold that it is a unique life independent that of the mother. And if you say that it wouldn’t exist 9 months later at birth if not for the mother, I would agree. I also think that the child wouldn’t exist after birth if not for someone taking care of it. So it still requires support to exist. I agree with you. The rape and incest is an extreme and rare case. And while there are merits of arguing those rare and extreme cases, they shouldn’t lay the foundation of the majority of thought and conversation on the topic at large. Which is, is it okay to take the life of a child in the womb that has yet to be born. So while I understand your arguments, I disagree with them and think they are made without thought, logic, or considerations for the scientific world. They are emotional arguments made to alleviate someone’s choices (good or bad). I don’t agree with paying poor choices or sometimes evil forward. Edit: there will always be the poor and people who aren’t doing well in life that are with us. Poverty will NEVER not be a thing based off its definition alone. To say we should kill innocents because they will be a burden is not only sad it’s horrifying. Also you invite the contrary argument. I would think we could agree that 40-65 million babies have been aborted in the us alone since Roe v Casey. That’s mad man Stalin levels. I agree some of those babies would be poor in health, spirit. Financials, etc. but remember of those aborted, how many would be here that would be intellectual or industry giants that could have helped the plight of those that are less fortunate. How many Einstein’s or Musks have been aborted? Your argument is half hearted and disingenuous in the least because you seem to fail to consider more than emotions.