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You must turn orders into the TMO to have your HHG shipped. "I said TMO orders." You don't need to resort to name calling when I counter your illogical point The disconnect is real on your part. Airmen who live on base have to eat in the chow hall. Working lunch? You can have a working lunch if you are going to pay for everyone's food to work through lunch. The shirt is going to say something to you if you think you can make airmen stay for a working lunch. Even if you buy food, they could say they don't want your food. Everyone knows this already. You are asking to be chiefed Viperstud. Not trying to be a dick. Have you gone to SOS?

You know which officers have some of the best rapport with E's are the U-2 guys. E's would do anything for those guys. Those guys are like come out and I will give you a mobile ride A1C Bilbo. Showing a little love goes a long way. Never said enlisted should lead enlisted.

Nobody has died from not receiving a set of TMO orders on time. You might want to read that post again. When you can tie a Lts death into TMO orders you are looking at the AF through a soda straw. There is a huge shortage of personnel in maintenance. Guess what? They would rather get out to go to school full time instead of staying in the AF. Not having the right amount of people to fix jets is far more dangerous than anything. You can't have an enlisted force and not educate them. The more enlisted we have in maintenance permits more of them to go to school and become better maintainers. Taking college classes is a part of being promoted outside of WAPs and CDC testing. You think maintainers are going to stay in knowing they can't even get their CCAF? I guess you don't care about them taking care of themselves or your jet with your mindset. Its far more dangerous to that Lt to have a shortage of maintainers who have a piss poor attitude and low morale because they can't go to school at ALL and are being over worked. Maintainers and pilots are leaving because QOL is so great (sarcasm). Last time I checked, we have a shortage of pilots and maintainers due to QOL. That impacts combat capability, not sending someone to college classes after work. How could you ever say allowing people to go to school impacts the mission in a negative way?

Its not that black and white. There are two hour waits at the pharmacy because a civilian walked off the job. Waits at the clinic on getting referrals off base due to manning. Just like the pilot retention issue, lots of AFSCs at bases are not adequately manned. Sequestration wasn't that long ago in my mind and we are still feeling it. If we don't have the manning for something, I'm not going to kill my airmen by making them work until 8 pm. If I was a support CC, I would be that guy to take care of my airmen. Is someone going to die because you receive your TMO orders late? Or do I need to take away their morning PT and have half the squadron fail the test? There is a huge disconnect between how you view the AF and how I view things. Some enlisted can't work late as single parents because they have to pick there kids up at the CDC after work. I don't know if you are married and have kids, but if you don't then that's why you can't relate. I am not married and I don't have any kids just to put that into perspective for you. A lot of enlisted members attend classes directly after work. You want to tell the education office your 3 airmen failed classes because you made them work late everyday. The AF pays for those classes. On this forum we have all talked about being stretched far too thin with personnel. You are seeing what happens on the support side when they are not adequately manned. If you don't have enough pilots, you can't pull them out of your ass. You have to cut back on the mission until manning permits otherwise.

This is the equivalency of you living in a great middle class neighborhood. However, I live in a drug infested trailer park. Then you trying to tell me you totally understand what I go through. No you don't understand. You cannot relate to me at all. You will be a more effective leader with the enlisted if you can actually relate to them in general. Leading isn't about barking orders. You need compassion and have to be able to understand the enlisted you are trying to lead. Comm doesn't need to come over to ops. Why don't you go over to the comm building and establish a relationship with their airmen, NCOs, or SNCOs. Try talking to them like human beings and it might get you somewhere. The ops vs support mentality is growing tired and old. Are CCs actually talking to each other to resolve these issues? It starts at the top and some issues might get fixed if people tried it. When my Lt was trying to get CFPS and other software installed, it sounded like he was being a dick to comm. I should have asked him did he try hooking comm up by using backdoor AF policy of handing out booze.

Nail on the head. You get the bigger issue that I'm seeing. I totally agree with you. There is a dude I know who is a shiny penny. I watched as he put himself up for countless awards. I know that's how you highlight yourself as an officer if you want to be a GO someday. Anyway, he created a position for Lts to sit next to the Ops Sup and answer phones. I don't know how the hell that got approved! Ultimately, the position was killed off. I was at SOS when his idea came to fruition. Otherwise, I would have said hell no. Based on that scenario, you wonder how some leaders become so out of touch with the rest of us. They were always out of touch, its just nobody ever tells another officer thats a dumb idea and you're doing it all wrong. The officer in question probably still thinks his idea was great! It was just another bullet on his many award packages. How do you win Flt/CC of the year when your OPRs are late and your airmen fail their PT tests? Document that on a 1206....

Not sure what you fly but people here easily forget the four mission sets of the AF. Airlift/Bombing, Nukes, Space & Missiles, and Cyber (I guess). Getting to your question. There was one AFSC in intel that dealt with some cool stuff despite the title being SIGINT analyst. Not everyone's job title is what you think it solely deals with. Pilots have different AFSCs just like intel does. You wouldn't expect a bomber pilot to know how to do an air drop over a DZ. Just like a SIGINT analyst cant do imagery, which is another AFSC in intel. A vast majority of flyers have no clue who in the AF deals with nukes. Its goes deeper than an officer sitting in a silo or a bomber pilot who delivers the weapons. There is more to that mission set than what a lot of you could imagine. How many flyers are well versed on nukes who fall under AMC? My point is you should know what you bring to the AF. If you think intel should learn what you do, then you could probably spend a day learning about how the nuclear arsenal works. It goes both ways.

Why would I want any pilot to be put in charge of any support function? I told a previous CC he sucked ass dealing with the E's. His valid excuse was never being around enlisted. This is a dumb ass concept to think you can do better at another officers job just because you are a pilot. Get over yourselves. People who think they can do any officers job in the AF and be 100% effective is WRONG. I never needed a SNCO to tell me what to do as an officer. As a prior, I know what an enlisted airman needs. It's hard to lead someone if you never walked a mile in their shoes. I'm that guy that told the shirt no you are not taking "A1C Need for Speed" driving privileges away on base because he got a ticket off base. Then he got another ticket on base for a stop sign or something. The kid was about to deploy and I told the shirt that's a dumb ass punishment. I went old school on the A1C and needless to say, the problem was resolved. I don't need a SNCO telling me how to handle the enlisted. If you need a seeing eye dog as an officer, you shouldn't be a CC or put in charge of E's period. Some of you think airmen should spend a day in ops. Airmen should never have to spend a day learning about ops or supporting it. They selected the jobs they have for a reason. I give 2 craps about how you fuel your plane. I chose intel as my enlisted job to be indoors so I don't have to be on a hot ass aircraft parking spot pumping fuel. My focus should be on our adversaries, not how to launch an F-22. Don't piss in my Cheerios and I won't piss in your Wheaties.

I'm saying by the way our leaders have represented us at the top maybe a significant factor in promotion results. I've heard countless times when someone has been treated poorly it's normally by someone from the good old boys club in the flying community. Some flight suited gods think they walk on water but tend to treat others like crap. I've heard it from a lot of women too. People maybe pushing back on promotion the boards in a sense if you think about it. Okay, remember when RPAs complained about lack of promotion? Why were they being held back despite a huge manning crisis? Was it pilots, the boards, or our top brass not promoting? I totally understand the record of those sent to RPAs wasn't anything to shout about. Then after someone complained to Congress, they are definitely being promoted now. Hmmmmm Now pilots are being out promoted. I ask you why, despite a retention issue?

Your points maybe the exact reason why the promotion numbers for pilots are dropping. Why? We think we are above the rest of the Air Force. Some of our guys have treated people like utter crap at the Pentagon, creating a negative perception of some communities. When you piss off the wrong people long and hard enough, they will eventually start to push back. I'm guilty of it myself. Returned from a deployment and the MDG/CC was behind the automatic entrance doors at the clinic having her butt kissed. I didn't see her initially, just 5 to 6 E's and O's but I was in a rush. So I proceeded to head through the second set of doors and she said hi to me like you need to acknowledge my superior rank and presence. I said hi back and kept walking. I was trying to get my inprocessing checklist signed off and this was my second time in the clinic because ITR didn't give me a return checklist. I was rushing so I can take leave the next day. After you return from a deployment you are in a different mindset and just want to get away from the base altogether. But the MDG/CC wants to be acknowledged. Got it. There is nothing that says I have to issue a greeting indoors to an O-6. The OG/CC doesn't expect you to kiss his ass every time he is in the squadron. Damn, the ops world is different. Guess what? When she retires and I retire in 3 years, I will still walk by her ass in civilian clothes and not say a word.

Just brilliant. How did you and Fuzz get leadership to hire contractors and totally break away from the tyrannical commies?

What does ACSC measure? I don't know why but I'm tired of mandatory learning. I haven't used a single thing from SOS. Either you got it as a leader or you don't.

We were told no soup for us. The Lt asked about JUMPs too.

Tell them your kids have allergies and cannot sleep on an air mattress due to the chemicals in the plastic.

When did CFPS and Falcon View get put on the commies cannot load list? One of my Lts told me this the other day. He was told the software is outdated and cannot be loaded on any computers. I just came from a base using the software. I'm done, going to put my application in for the Space Corps. https://spacenews.com/rogers-calls-for-separate-space-corps-within-the-air-force/

Call me dumb. But deployment requirements would vanquish if the AF figured out WTF we are still doing in Afghanistan. Say we annihilate ISIS in Syria/Iraq. They are still going to want people over there to offset popup ISIS groups, Syria, and Iran. You cant kill a group of roaches and not think they didn't lay eggs to ensure they continue to exist. I'm done with the stupidity we call policy. I've seen countless members of the Taliban die. Yet, they have come roaring back because they have always had a ton of support. I remember a high ranking officer telling me in 2010 ANA would fail. People in the government are helping the Taliban but we continue to act like we know everything. You can't win continuously playing patty cake with someone. A. You either have to go all in with your air and land forces and allow no media into the country. B. STFU and leave the country. Option B is more likely.

Don't fall for it. I was BTZ to SrA and made SSgt my first time. I pinned on SSgt a few weeks after leaving Korea. Tons of awards under my belt. After Korea you are supposed to receive your assignment of preference. I listed all the options overseas I could think of guys. They came back with Beale. My CMSgt and everyone else was like Nooooo... don't go there. This was back in 2000 when Lincoln and Roseville were probably small communities if they existed at all. I tell assignments to go kick rocks, so they come back with San Antonio. Really? I had lived in Texas for most of my whole damn life. It didn't matter because I had received my SOAR scholarship to AFROTC a few weeks before. They cut me orders from Osan direct to AFROTC to be a cadet. But guess what my ex girlfriend at the time left Korea for an assignment in Hawaii. DO NOT TRUST AFPC! You will go from a 365 to Cannon AFB or Grand Damn Forks. I will tell everyone under me don't be the sacrificial lamb.

Someone told me it was over a closet in the squadron the GP/CC wanted cleaned out. Making dumb decisions while deployed seemed more or less like the truth. What was the low down?

I thought the circus closed down. The AF has made it well known the circus is still alive and well. Support is the clown show and pilots are those rare white tigers living in s#&ty conditions.

FYI:My years might be a little off. I wasn't in the 40 AS. But I heard their CC from 2009-11 was a piece of work. The Gp/CC didn't hesitate to remove her and there wasn't any PC about removing a female. She dug her grave on a unit deployment. Never seen a CC removed so fast.

I'm hearing a violin.

After almost 17 years active, I mostly drink in my house. But still flip flop on the questionnaire from flight medicine on whether I drink or not. I don't drink at any squadron functions. If I drink out with my old lady, her teen comes to pick us up.

Don't they RIF the people with negative indicators first, especially officers? DUIs, PT fails..etc. In 2011, I had two friends RIF'd. One for a DUI and the other for a PI at UPT. The PI was after the club was let out, and the cops swept up lots of people in Del Rio. Anyway, the cops called him a model to mimic. He completed UPT and went on to fly tankers.

Air Force puts money where its mouth is to retain airmen https://federalnewsradio.com/air-force/2017/05/air-force-puts-money-where-its-mouth-is-to-retain-airmen/ Lightening the load As a means of easing the burden of additional duties on airmen, the service plans on increasing its commander support staff (CSS) by 1,600 over the next five years. About 200 will be added in 2018, Martin said. That includes 170 officers, 469 enlisted airmen and 961 civilians. Those employees will be distributed to the nearly 2,000 active-duty squadrons.

Great pass down. But if you have no pilots, then those mx and support stats become meaningless. They go hand in hand.