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Dude we are talking about the medical neccesity of vaccinating people who have already recovered from COVID. This has nothing to do with polio or children. Your arguments make no sense.

Wtf are you talking about dude? Do you even know anymore?

Nope. I want protected from polio. Polio sucks and if I got it, it would probably kill me. It's necessary for my survival to inoculate against it, especially since it's still widespread in many countries the US operates in. If I am a recovered COVID patient, you can't make the same argument for necessity. I am likely already possessing immunity equal to one greater than what the vaccine alone can provide. The vaccine isn't necessary to save my life or protect me in anyway.

Furthermore they are directing a medical procedure without being able to demonstrate medical neccesity. This is potentially in violation of most health ethics.

We haven't had that issue yet though. I'm fact nearly every country we work routinely in has exceptions for movements of military forces under status agreements. We are still regularly PCSing people to Europe and Asia, conducting essential TDYs, and upholding deployment obligations. The US government hurt it's own position on a readiness argument in the fallout from Crozier and the continued narrative that our readiness hasn't suffered.

I'm not sure why you can't answer the question. My point is, if you've done your research, people who have gotten the MMR2 vaccination series have some immunity against covid. My point being if you've received your mmr2 vaccinations in the military over the last decade this may have helped you not get covid even if you're not covid vax'd. The probability of actually getting COVID is also already very low. I posted a calculator on here some time ago, but even unvaccinated your probability in the military was only 17% over 3 years. Let me see if I can find it again.

I've seen this before. There is an established precedent that the DoD can only order a medical procedure if there is a medical necessity. If you are immune there is no neccesity. In other words, in medical ethics it generally advised not to change something on the body unless there is a clear reason to. It's the same ethics case that requires sterilization procedures to follow consultations and stuff.

You do get a choice. The way the guidance reads is that you are required to have the vaccine because at least one option is FDA approved and that option is available to you. However if you get any other option that's under EUA, then you meet the intent.

That was powerful and also very accurate. I've been working for weeks trying to get people who deserve to get out of Afghanistan, out of Afghanistan. There was absolutely no clear method for how a person gets onto HKIA other than winning the fricken lottery. Unless you had the number to someone who was in country, on the ground, and had access to the gate, your people were hosed no matter how great their case. Once we started sending planes back with empty seats, that was telling of how much the system had failed. Say nothing of the C-17 that departed the last day stocked full of supplies like paper towels and napkins, rather than human beings. I want to believe this is a success story guys. But you don't get to sink the titanic and then brag about how many life boats you have. There are THOUSANDS of vulnerable Afghans still in country who may be killed any day now. How in the world will anyone ever trust the USG again?

They aren't going to teach themselves. They will ask another country to come in an assist them. We are not the only country with a capability like the 6 SOS.

This. The nuke thing was the public event that Gates could use but Gates and Mosely fought vigorously over AF investment priorities. Its like when you have that one POS airmen with tons of discipline and you use a sloppy haircut to give him his final LOR.

He has a possibility but he need the right lawyers and ethicist to connect his case. The first thing they're going to ask if he is a consciences objector because he used "thou shalt not kill" and we are in the military. However Thomas Aquinas already justified Thou Shalt Not Kill with military service when he founded double effect doctrine which later went on to create just war theory. So if he has someone well versed in Aquinas he can likely use Aquinas arguments to show that Gods Commandment against murder is not absolute but the use of human fetuses for research is not within the parameters Aquinas outlined as acceptable cases.

So you agree they allowed politics to motivate their health policy to censor some groups and promote others. Fantastic!

Anyone know if now that Phizer is mandated that obligates DoD to liability should something happen? I believe it does but I can't find where I've read that before.

Mosley sort of did. He refused to invest in expansion of forces CENTCOM wanted in favor of forces necessary vfor 5th gen war and was fired for it.

It's not their flight skill it's the cultural difference in how they view rules and regulations and the difference between how they view a check-ride failure versus us. Some generalizations here but: Germans will always attempt to follow every rule to the T, and if rules are broken have no issue ensuring person is properly shamed. However in respect to that, breaking rules are just seen as a fact of life and when you do it just take your consequence and move on. This German likely doesn't understand the major career implications in the US to a failed check-ride. He sees it through German eyes where the pilot broke a rule and he should be shamed. He can requal anyway so why does he care?

If it work like AWACS, which it probably does, the OG commander has been transferred OPCON from US to NATO and he has the legal authority to manage operational level programs like flying training and flight evaluations. So in AWACS you always had a US squadron commander that wrote your OPRs and stuff and then a NATO squadron commander who could direct you to fly missions and do anything of an operational nature. The NATO squadron commander absolutely had the legal authority to direct a Q3. (although in AWACS you use the German evaluation system which is easier to hide as it never goes into your FEF) I don't think it would make it very far through court though because flight by nature is operational and transfer of operational command and control is very common to international bodies.

would be fucking hilarious if they opened the cash bags and it was all just aafes pogs.

Haha, have you worked with Europeans before? They are about the most stubborn and arrogant people I ever met. I worked in NATO AWACS for a while, and working with European commanders has got to be one of the most toxic work environments there is. The good news is, the US component rarely gives a shit if your European commander thinks you're garbage.

The disconnect is its a German OG and the Germans grow up with different flight rules that have different thresholds of conservativity built into them. Germans believe its ludicrous to every fly VFR, land at an uncontrolled field, and lots of other crazy non sense.

Obama pulls out of Iraq instigating a national surge violence and the rise of the largest terrorist organization in history. Nobody: Biden: "Hold my Beer"

CH sending you a DM.

Give it a few weeks and some of the stories will percolate down. #Dunkirk was the grassroots movement to originally get SOF terps out. Over the week it grew into a massive military/veteran led effort to take the turd that was this withdrawal and save it as much as possible. Some of these stories havent spread widely yet because the entire DoD and DoS are in reaction mode and cant even focus on the micro events that happened around this macro event. But it was quite incredible the massive feed of intel a group of random people with military backgrounds was able to generate and validate open source and disseminate in a best effort to get as many people that deserve to be out as possible.

#Dunkirk I could be wrong but ive been spending every waking minute for a week now getting families that deserve to be in the gates in the gates.

Being serious for a minute: we need to file an FOIA request on the performance evaluations of every GO tied to CENTCOM and the draw down next year. Because I swear to go if I see some bull shit like "Hacho'd largest strat airlift op since Berlin--Saved 70K US Cit" I'm going to fucking throw a fit. Not a single person above the rank of Lt Col should be considering this operation a success.