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Recording: https://forums.liveatc.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16129.0;attach=10823

Two VERY similar incidents on the same day, on opposite sides of the world, is bizarre to me: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aviation24.be/airlines/longtail-aviation/boeing-747-loses-parts-after-take-off-from-maastricht-diverts-to-liege-two-people-injured/amp/

Yeah it makes sense. But I feel like 6 SOS is one of those programs that people have had an idea on cutting for a long time and yet they still continue to survive. Hell just 3-4 years ago they were looking at tripling the number of AvFID squadrons. Makes you wonder what changed?

Eh, this is one of those cases of I'll believe it when the aircraft are in the boneyard. I've just seen so many programs that were supposed to be "cut" and "something" always stops it.

They send out mypers announcements occasionally for the air advisor unit in Kabul. Its a 365 though. I believe the 6 SOS also keeps 1-2 of them for kinetic proficiencies and TTP development while home station.

This actually isnt' true. At least FOX, I know for sure, was all over Cruz for several days and even ran a side by side headline heavily critical over Cruz and Cuomo both on their main website. The conflict of interest with the Cuomo family at CNN is certainly concerning to its reporting though.

I would say 70+ days is easy with some of the things going on Ive heard about.

Excellent press analysis on how journalist use emotion to influence your perception of a topic.

It's going to vary by department. Remember, police officers very on everything from Park Rangers to Native Reservation constables. Based on their jursdiction, type of crime interest, level of government, etc... It's going to vary. As I said, my wife, who worked for major metropolitan area, had 6 months of academy training (of which she carried a gun through near all of it technically, as firearms safety is a large part of their training) After 6 months, she was in field training, where she was exposed to the public but under extreme supervision and with 0 authority to make a decision or direct a scene. Only after she demonstrated her competence through several weeks of that was she fully credentialized through her agency to work autonomously. Also, researching cosmotology school a bit more, it would seem that's a bit of a false comparison. While it's true a full cosmotology program is nearly 40 weeks, this includes multiple occupations. Hair dresser, nails, skin, waxing, eyebrows, makeup, etc... Very few people are actually going to go through a full cosmotology program to be licensed. They will do 1 or 2 programs and build their career around that.

For their basic training..... The article even tells you this.

Not sure you are right or have a point here. So google told me cosmology usually takes 40 weeks to get a certificate. This was the same period it took my wife to get qualified. (Not half of it as you claim) 20 weeks academy, 6 weeks additional academy (department specific training) and 14 weeks of Field Training (OJT with assigned training officer.) Additionally, you can say that pilots on the AF today under some of the new syllabuses are only getting 40 weeks or a bit more of training. So was your point here LEOs don't get enough training or that cosmology was surprisingly more complicated than you underestimated it for?

Curious what sort of de-escalation techniques you're speaking of. Since your an expert can you discuss them a bit?

I'm also interested in guard/reserve 13O oppurtunities, if anyone has more info.

Yeah wasn't an exposition on the tolerance so much as my impression of the effects. I agree you're partially right on the identity but the mandatory service definitely grew it more. The term has significant meaning there.

I became really fascinated with the national identity Koreans came to possess through their mandatory service. Not only did they have the common expereince, they took a lot of pride in completing it, even though its incredibly unpopular, and shunned those who didn't. It then transcended generations when older father's and grandfather's would connect with their male children on service. For the Koreans though, probably the most significant effect was on the national mindset in regards to nK. As a war planner on staff, I didn't know at first that Korea has an ENORMOUS civil action plan in response to war. Every citizen, including those not still enlisted, has a war time job, and they all know what it is. It involves everything from evacuating people from Seoul, moving logistics, maintaining civil order, it's phenomenal. If you go to war with South Korea, you are literally going to war with the WHOLE country.

One important fact is that the police officer in this case, was in fact indicted, and sat before 12 citizens who judged him in a trial. 12 people who were vetted by both the prosecution and defense for the ability to be objective, saw ALL the evidence in the case, and heard both stories. Then, all 12 unanimously decided this officer was not guilty based on EVERYTHING we knew about the event, and acquitted him. That's a pretty big deal in my opinion.

Like, our MDG asked us to do this to. Then we flat out told them no, it's health privledged information so long as the shot isn't a deployment requirement, to which they agreed. Then they complained, then they staffed a staff sgt to sit a desk and take names and keep all of that shit in house. But never should convenience of the command take priority over the ethics or rights of our personnel.

Or the MDG could do that since it's their job. I see what you're getting at and I work in mixed company as well. But this was not a problem for us. Not sure why your MDG is pushing back.

Uh, are you serious? Any time a mayor decries an officer in her district, that would be the same as the President calling you a disgrace before your command finished their investigation.

https://www.vulture.com/2021/02/gina-carano-fired-from-the-mandalorian-lucasfilm-star-wars.html#:~:text=12%2C 2021-,Gina Carano Fired From The,'Abhorrent' Social-Media Posts&text=The Mandalorian actress and MMA,went viral on social media. I've been following this story in my feed and honestly, the biggest hypocrisy here, is by attempting to silence Gina Carano for her relatively benign post, they actually upheld the core point of her post. While I'm not a fan of the "compare everything to Hitler" cliche, nothing in her post attempts to glorify Hitler, or deflect blame onto Hitler's victims. In fact, she ends the post with a pretty honest question, "explain to me how this is different?" And rather than offering a rational explanation, people decided to silence her. Whats further infuriating, is it somehow became socially acceptable in the last decade for democrats to call Republicans Hitler, but pointing out that this division is what Hitler would have wanted is somehow wrong.

I honestly wish I had something to reference to you. But I dont. I had special insight because I was married to a cop. I spent a lot of time at her place of work, doing ride-alongs, hanging out with her friends etc... On the risk, its completely incomparable. There are so many moving parts. For example, the fact that LE accepts risk daily for years without reprieve and military only accepts it in short duration for deployments. LE doesn't choose the time and place of their encounters but the US military doctrinally only operates with initiative. LE normally works autonomous as a single unit where as in the military the minimum maneuver unit is 3 in the USMC and 4 in the USA, and operations outside the wire are always supported by a robust network of ISR, air support and logistics. Doctrinely the US military strives for a 3-to-1 force ratio, LE hopes to have 2-to-1. Etc... LE routinely accepts "unknown" risk, doctrinally the US DoD does not do that. The biggest evidence though that discredits the comparison is the very recognition by the US DoD that apprehending a target is a much higher risk than killing them, hence we prefer to drone strike targets if at all possible because its lower risk. As far as obligations: LE officers are not like military. They are civilians first and foremost and they can quit their job any time they want. They do not have robust survivor benefits and they don't fall under any special laws. They therefore can quit at any moment and they can't be ordered to assume a risk with a known detriment, like entering an active shooter situation in a grade school, alone. However, it is completely legal for me to order 20 enlisted to take a hill even if I have good reason to believe that 15 of them will die doing so. If anyone of them refuses that order, they are now deserters and are criminally liable. To compensate that we have robust survivor benefits for their dependents and family. I suggest reading some of the classical ethics behind UOF. Double-effect doctrine is something all officers should be familiar with in the military and it outlines how Western society justifies homicide in any instance. (Whether its a police involved shooting, war, self-defense, whatever have you.)

35 officers between 2005 and 2020 were found guilty of manslaughter or higher for a duty involved shooting.

Not an expert on the process but I believe generally no. Maybe someone like ClearedHot can clarify, but this is how I think it goes: Generally you have to first make the command list, which simply makes you eligible. A few people will go on it automatically by doing things like completing IDE. The command list is run by each MAJCOM and it's competitive but not that competitive. Many more will go on it than commands available. It used to be, to go to the AETC command list you had to be a prior AETC instructor. However, I believe that is lifted now, although it is still preferred. Once on a list, you essentially need "hired" at that point, which means a wing commander has to select you to command. This is where mentorships and relationships come in handy. Your former squadron commanders will now be wing or group commanders who can advocate for you. Wing Commanders hand in their ideal picks on what's called their "bar napkin." If a wing commander picks you, you go. If more than one commander picks you, AFPC or MAJCOM mediates to div out competitive hires. So in this sense, given how the process works, you really have no choice.

Something to consider man, Randolph and a lot of FTUs are AETC. They may not send you to a UPT base to command. Also, not much better, but how do you feel about non flying AETC command like BMT, SOS or something of that nature. Less flying oppurtunity sure, but, if you love the idea of molding lives you may have far more influence there than elsewhere.

Uhhhh ok? You are comparing apples.to oranges right now. What grounds or data do you have to make any of the above assumptions? Is flying a plane more dangerous than entering a domestic violence scene (definitely no). Did those at Haditha exercise good ROE judgement? (no) Do law enforcement officers have the same legal and moral obligations to risk their life as uniformed military members (also no). Honestly man, if you're not an expert on how the law enforcement community calculates, and mitigates risk, and how they apply a completely different use of force spectrum, you probably should just refrain from comment. I know enough about the career field to know they are completely incomparable.